GUIDER Black Jumbo ED

[enricof]

Hi Satish.

 

Looks like you're sitting up a new business , congratulations.

 

Any new for me?

 

 

 

[georges zaslavsky]

Looks like an old parker vac very nice pen

[shrujaya]

Hi...

 

After reading Satish's review of the Guider Jumbo, I decided to get one for myself...and received mine 3 days back...I inked it immediately and I am loving it... it looks solid and is thicker than the thickest ebonite FPs that I have... I took some closeups of the pen and since this is Satish's post initially, I asked him if he'd mind if I posted these photos here...he said that since his pics were taken on a mobile phone camera, he could not get the desired focus and welcomed my suggestion...

 

The pen capped is 6.3 inches; uncapped 5 1/2 inches; and posted 7 1/4 inches. The clip reminds one of a parker clip as some members have rightly pointed out. The feeder is smooth without any striations like in the Jinhao GN FP that I have...the nib looks good (as of now) with Guider India Fine engraved on it along with an encircled 'G'...and it is slightly smaller than the Advocate nib (size 10), could be size 9...

 

I told Satish that I'd post the photos tomorrow...but since I was anyway browsing, I thought I'd post them today (28 sep 08)...

 

Here are the photos...

 

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn280/bambli_mass/GuiderJumbo-capped1.jpg

Guider Jumbo – capped

 

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn280/bambli_mass/GuiderJumbo-uncapped.jpg

Guider Jumbo – uncapped

 

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn280/bambli_mass/GuiderJumbo-posted2.jpg

Guider Jumbo – posted

 

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn280/bambli_mass/GuiderJumbo-clip.jpg

Guider Jumbo-close up of clip

 

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn280/bambli_mass/GuiderJumbo-clipbrandnamecloseup.jpg

Guider Jumbo-clip brand name close up

 

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn280/bambli_mass/GuiderJumbo-nibcloseup1.jpg

Guider Jumbo-nib close up

 

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn280/bambli_mass/GuiderJumbo-feederwithjinhao.jpg

The Jumbo feeder with Jinhao feeder

 

Hope members have had a closer look at the Guider Jumbo now...

 

Regards,

 

Jayasrinivasa Rao (Jai)

[hari317]

The feeder is smooth without any striations like in the Jinhao GN FP that I have...the nib looks good (as of now) with Guider India Fine engraved on it along with an encircled 'G'...and it is slightly smaller than the Advocate nib (size 10), could be size 9...

 

The feed on the Jinhao has fins on the upper side flush with the nib, on the other hand, the feeder on the Guider Jumbo has no fins and has only one central fissure for air.

 

Have you measured the ink capacity of the Jumbo?

 

I reckon the nib is size 8, the same size as the Wality 69TL.

 

Do let us know a long term usage report.

 

Warm Regards,

Hari

 

 

[satshere]

Hi Friends......

Finally.... my exclusive online store for Guider Pens is up and running!!!

Based on the needs of the folks at Guider Pens, I have designed a completely secure and automated website on my own to act as their web franchise to market Guider Pens worldwide.


I shall act as the one point contact to process all the orders and despatch the pens on my own after sourcing them from Guider Pens. You just have to visit the site, select the model (s), make the payment and just wait for the pens to be at UR door step.... Its that simple!!!


Payment can be done online through the Paypal gateway (Credit Cards are also accepted via Paypal's secure gateway).


You may visit the website at:

http://www.guiderpensonline.com

Hope you will like my online solution to make Guider Pens accessibile to everybody around the world....

Cheers and Happy Shopping!

Satish Kolluru

[LapsangS]

Nice website. Great looking pens. Too bad Finland is not on the list of countries where you ship to.

[AllWriteNow]

Too bad Finland is not on the list of countries where you ship to.

 

 

I will

 

Steve

Edited October 5, 2008 by luckygrandson

[Aysedasi]

Is there any plan to offer these at some stage with other than fine nibs? I fancy trying one but a fine nib is nigh-on useless to me........

[satshere]

I am happy that you like the site....!! I respect UR feedback...

 

But for now, I guess you might like to go with Steve's offer (looks like he is desperate)... For now, please give him some business...

 

I shall offer shipping to Finland very soon. (and at much cheaper rates....) if you can hold on ... Please do so...... See you in the future transactions...

 

regards,

Satish

[artaddict]

But for now, I guess you might like to go with Steve's offer (looks like he is desperate)... For now, please give him some business...

 

Steve is not desperate - he is honorable.

 

[Univer]

But for now, I guess you might like to go with Steve's offer (looks like he is desperate)... For now, please give him some business...

 

Steve is not desperate - he is honorable.

Amen to that.

 

"Desperation" can take many forms. One might even see it in the act of posting a positive review for a pen being offered for sale at one's web store.

 

I'm frankly not sure whether such conduct is countenanced by the FPN rules, but this thread has been reported. I turn to this forum for reviews - not for self-promotion. Perhaps this thread should be moved to the Marketplace, since it seems to have become an advertisement for the OP's site.

 

Jon

[andyk]

But for now, I guess you might like to go with Steve's offer (looks like he is desperate)... For now, please give him some business...

 

Steve is not desperate - he is honorable.

Amen to that.

 

"Desperation" can take many forms. One might even see it in the act of posting a positive review for a pen being offered for sale at one's web store.

 

I'm frankly not sure whether such conduct is countenanced by the FPN rules, but this thread has been reported. I turn to this forum for reviews - not for self-promotion. Perhaps this thread should be moved to the Marketplace, since it seems to have become an advertisement for the OP's site.

 

Jon

 

Hi,

 

Inclined to agree, I thought this was a review but seems mainly to promote writer's website (not itself a problem if kept in the right place).

 

First came across these pens in Steve's post a while back and was looking forward to meeting him at the WES London Penshow, but seems like he can't make it, but his pens will be there so I may well sample and buy.

 

Andy

[Johnny Appleseed]

But for now, I guess you might like to go with Steve's offer (looks like he is desperate)... For now, please give him some business...

 

Steve is not desperate - he is honorable.

Amen to that.

 

"Desperation" can take many forms. One might even see it in the act of posting a positive review for a pen being offered for sale at one's web store.

 

I'm frankly not sure whether such conduct is countenanced by the FPN rules, but this thread has been reported. I turn to this forum for reviews - not for self-promotion. Perhaps this thread should be moved to the Marketplace, since it seems to have become an advertisement for the OP's site.

 

Jon

 

I think the OP is innocent as charged on this one . . . probably.

 

The original review was posted here well before the launch of his website. From how it reads, he did not intend to offer the pens for sale at all, and the website he does link in his signature on the original review is for his advertising business, not for the Guider pen site. As I read the posts, it sounds as if only later did he set up a website to sell Guider pens directly.

 

Take the issues between Steve, Guider and satshere as you will. Steve has done the US Pen community a great service to make these available, and deserves credit for that.

 

However, to give credit where credit is due, it is thanks to a number of members here from India, particularly Hari, that we have heard of any of these at all. While Steve has done a lot to market these, I think that credit also goes to Hari and other members from India for providing reviews and information about pen manufacturers in India. That is ultimately what gave Steve the opportunity to become an importer.

 

I am not saying this to downplay Steve's role in the process, but just to keep a little perspective.

 

John

 

[Univer]

...snip...

However, to give credit where credit is due, it is thanks to a number of members here from India, particularly Hari, that we have heard of any of these at all....

...snip...

Hi John,

 

No intention here to foment controversy, but your statement above purports to speak for all the members of FPN, and, as such, it is inaccurate. I contacted Guider some two years ago - long before I had met my good friend Hari (a gentleman I hold in the highest esteem) - to inquire about purchasing a pen or two for personal use. That contact was unavailing; but the fact is that I was well aware of the brand. I guess I assume that others were aware of it too.

 

It may well be that the original post was indeed put up long before there was any intention of dealing in these pens (although there is, and can be, no proof of that). That said, the OP has seen fit to revisit the thread in order to promote his site; I daresay that if the "edit" function hadn't been limited to a 24-hour window, the original post might have been emended to add a link to the webstore (I concede that that, too, is unproven). In my view, the later posts retrospectively change the character of the thread as a whole, and I stand by my suggestion that it should now be moved to a forum dedicated to mercantile matters. Surely, when a review thread starts to veer toward self-promotion, we should err on the side of preserving the integrity of the forum.

 

It's not at all uncommon for a member to post a review of a pen, and to decide, months or years later, to sell it in the Marketplace. (I have myself checked those reviews in trying to decide whether to purchase such a pen). I see that as a different case altogether: the case of an individual collector deciding, as part of the ebb and flow of collecting, to let go of a pen he/she had happened to review. In this case, on the other hand, we are dealing with a fully functioning online store. That's a difference of kind, not of degree. (And for what it's worth, I can't recall an instance of a member reposting in his/her original review thread to say that the pen in question was now for sale.)

 

All that aside, the sneering comment about a fellow member's "desperation" seems not to be intended to promote the character and harmony of the site; and my recollection is that such conduct is prohibited by the rules under which we all participate here.

 

Cheers,

 

Jon

Edited October 7, 2008 by Univer

[Rob R]

Great line of pens.

Edited October 7, 2008 by Rob R

[Johnny Appleseed]

...snip...

However, to give credit where credit is due, it is thanks to a number of members here from India, particularly Hari, that we have heard of any of these at all....

...snip...

Hi John,

 

No intention here to foment controversy, but your statement above purports to speak for all the members of FPN, and, as such, it is inaccurate. I contacted Guider some two years ago - long before I had met my good friend Hari (a gentleman I hold in the highest esteem) - to inquire about purchasing a pen or two for personal use. That contact was unavailing; but the fact is that I was well aware of the brand. I guess I assume that others were aware of it too.

 

Ok, I will give you that - and the first post I can find here (doing a simple word search - not sure if that runs into date issues) mentioning Guider is by Oxonian.

 

However, I think that Hari et. al. deserve a lot of credit for promoting these and bringing them to our attention. He and a few other members from India deserve credit for popularizing these pens here, and I would suspect giving Steve the idea of getting into importing these pens. I have been following the Ebonite Indian eyedroppers for more than 2 years as well and remember when Steve started working on trying to import them (and I really hope someone will start selling those Ratnam Hooded nib pens!). As I said, Steve deserves great credit for the work he has done to make them available, but I think we are forgetting the many people who helped popularize them before he got involved.

 

It may well be that the original post was indeed put up long before there was any intention of dealing in these pens (although there is, and can be, no proof of that). That said, the OP has seen fit to revisit the thread in order to promote his site; I daresay that if the "edit" function hadn't been limited to a 24-hour window, the original post might have been emended to add a link to the webstore (I concede that that, too, is unproven). In my view, the later posts retrospectively change the character of the thread as a whole, and I stand by my suggestion that it should now be moved to a forum dedicated to mercantile matters. Surely, when a review thread starts to veer toward self-promotion, we should err on the side of preserving the integrity of the forum.

 

I don't know if the original poster posted this with the intention of dealing with the pens at a later date, which is why I left it as "innocent. . .probably." He may have planned to do this all allong, but I don't get that sense. I also note he reviewed some Deccan pens at about the same time as this review (and he is not selling those - though I guess it awaits to be seen whether he starts). I suspect he got the idea to get involved with selling them after the fact.

 

It's not at all uncommon for a member to post a review of a pen, and to decide, months or years later, to sell it in the Marketplace. (I have myself checked those reviews in trying to decide whether to purchase such a pen). I see that as a different case altogether: the case of an individual collector deciding, as part of the ebb and flow of collecting, to let go of a pen he/she had happened to review. In this case, on the other hand, we are dealing with a fully functioning online store. That's a difference of kind, not of degree. (And for what it's worth, I can't recall an instance of a member reposting in his/her original review thread to say that the pen in question was now for sale.)

 

Yes, but I don't think it is out of line for someone to post that they were selling a difficult to find pen under a review of the pen. After all, Steve also posted that he was selling the pen under the same review, as he has under several reviews and posts about the pens he sell. Yes, Satish posted it under his own review, which is a bit self-serving, but as there was a month of time (and nearly 2 pages of posts) between his review and his website launch. I don't think that is out of line.

 

All that aside, the sneering comment about a fellow member's "desperation" seems not to be intended to promote the character and harmony of the site; and my recollection is that such conduct is prohibited by the rules under which we all participate here.

 

In this case I agree - the "deperate" comment, along with much of the back-and-forth that has occured between Steve and Satish is inappropriate and at least borderline in regards to the forum rules. I have no problem with complaints of that nature. I just don't think that a follow-up post that he is selling the pens he reviewed should invalidate the review (though at this point further discussion of the sales of these pens should not take place in this thread).

 

But I think we should probably drop this whole debate at this point (though I do not mean that to try to cut off a response and graciously cede you the last word if desired ). I am not sure of the whole story between Steve, Guider Pens and Satish, but think it is probably time to let them figure out what agreements were involved and the rest of us to stay out of it.

 

John

Edited October 7, 2008 by Johnny Appleseed

[Univer]

Hi John,

 

I will use that graciously offered last word to say only that you are a true gentleman.

 

Cheers,

 

Jon

 

 

[Aysedasi]

Here, here, well said both.

[MrRogers]

Can someone comment on the finishing of these pens. In the photos there seems to be horizontal microabrasions from polishing on the cap and barrel. Also the clip and nib finishing looks a bit cheap.

 

I want to buy one of these but want to make sure that despite the price it is a decent pen that will see regular use amongst my pelikans, deltas and auroras. I will most likely keep it for a desk pen since I'm wary of putting an ED in a shirt or jacket pocket.

 

MrR

[MrRogers]

Also, are there holes or pitmarks in these pens? In the pic of the pen uncapped, there appears to be small holes in the surface. Can anyone confirm this?

 

MrR

 

 

 

 

Hi...

 

After reading Satish's review of the Guider Jumbo, I decided to get one for myself...and received mine 3 days back...I inked it immediately and I am loving it... it looks solid and is thicker than the thickest ebonite FPs that I have... I took some closeups of the pen and since this is Satish's post initially, I asked him if he'd mind if I posted these photos here...he said that since his pics were taken on a mobile phone camera, he could not get the desired focus and welcomed my suggestion...

 

The pen capped is 6.3 inches; uncapped 5 1/2 inches; and posted 7 1/4 inches. The clip reminds one of a parker clip as some members have rightly pointed out. The feeder is smooth without any striations like in the Jinhao GN FP that I have...the nib looks good (as of now) with Guider India Fine engraved on it along with an encircled 'G'...and it is slightly smaller than the Advocate nib (size 10), could be size 9...

 

I told Satish that I'd post the photos tomorrow...but since I was anyway browsing, I thought I'd post them today (28 sep 08)...

 

Here are the photos...

 

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn280/bambli_mass/GuiderJumbo-capped1.jpg

Guider Jumbo – capped

 

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn280/bambli_mass/GuiderJumbo-uncapped.jpg

Guider Jumbo – uncapped

 

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn280/bambli_mass/GuiderJumbo-posted2.jpg

Guider Jumbo – posted

 

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn280/bambli_mass/GuiderJumbo-clip.jpg

Guider Jumbo-close up of clip

 

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn280/bambli_mass/GuiderJumbo-clipbrandnamecloseup.jpg

Guider Jumbo-clip brand name close up

 

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn280/bambli_mass/GuiderJumbo-nibcloseup1.jpg

Guider Jumbo-nib close up

 

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn280/bambli_mass/GuiderJumbo-feederwithjinhao.jpg

The Jumbo feeder with Jinhao feeder

 

Hope members have had a closer look at the Guider Jumbo now...

 

Regards,

 

Jayasrinivasa Rao (Jai)