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[kudzu]

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That Charles Ingersoll entry should be dated 1924-1930. I don't think they made it long past 1930 - if anyone has info to the contrary, I would love to hear it.

 

I also think we need to be careful about how we list companies that are taken over by another - I would list them seperately first, then a note about them becoming a sub-brand.

 

Pick Pen Co, for example - I don't know if they were ever a sub-brand of Weidlich, but they started out as an independant company. See this link at Lion and Pen Pick and Weidlich, A bit of confusion

 

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Thank you, John for your remarks.

 

I just started to work on this list and one of the problems I encounter is the field definition. 'DATE' in this list is most of the time not a date but sometimes only a year indication and sometimes a period indication. And most of the time just

approximately!

Given the fact that not much is to be found about the history of Charles Ingersoll pens I am thankfull that more data will appear as a result of publishing adjustments in the records in the list. It is good to see that with these publications we stimulate each other to do more research on records we find that need correction.

So I believe you are right and I'll change the year 1930 to the period 1924-1930.

 

I also agree with you to be careful about connections between brand names. Funny thing is that in this case my information was based on an article from the same author Rob Astyk on the same site/forum, but from an earlyer date ( look at <a href="http://kamakurapens.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=677&pid=3316&mode=threaded&show=&st=&" target="_blank">http://kamakurapens.invisionzone.com/index...aded&show=&st=&</a> , 3rd posting, march,25). In the article you mention (april, 29) he publishes some more details. Anyway, I'll make a separate main entry (in 'BRANDING') for The Pick Pen Company. See below for a screen shot of the data in my data base program.

Problem is that these important details about firm relationships cannot be recorded in the basic form of the list ( the 'NAME' and 'BRANDING' fields) but can only be explained in an extra 'REMARK' field. So it works for me, but not for everyone who works with the 'basic' records.

 

Remains the question: what was actually engraved as a trade mark on the actual Pick pens? Does anyone of you know? Who owns one to show us?

 

Regards,

 

Lex

 

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Below are photos of my Pick fountain pen. Lex says, "Remains the question: what was actually engraved as a trade mark on the actual Pick pens? Does anyone of you know? Who owns one to show us?" There are no engravings on my Pick pen.

 

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4115/4828634563_e7aab03f46.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4101/4829248184_90c21d30ca.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4138/4828640873_7bf1c3cf53.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4139/4829260570_ec95071e21.jpg

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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4136/4828658803_92860b4147.jpg

[sjchun79]

Korean brands

 

APIS : makes their own nibs.Been stagnant for the last decade or so. Not so impressive. There is one interesting item though. A urushi coated pen with a 14K nib. http://apispen.com/htm/product_view.asp?code=AA&c_num=34&page=1

 

Java : nibs are imported(German, Schmidt steel nibs). Again, not so impressive.

 

Pilot : A subsidery of the Japan Pilot Pen Company. Disappointing. Nib quality is fairly good. Many pens look ugly(a subjestive view).

Edited July 26, 2010 by sjchun79

[mutiger_speer]

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Hi Gerry and John,

 

Gerry: I'll add the <b>Merkur</b> data to the list.

 

John: Good work! the drawing in the patent is almost congruent to my pen. Full date match on the pen and the date stamp on the document . So that could not be better.

 

On David Nishimura's site you can see some Victor pens ( one is a telescoping pen! )

see <a href="http://www.vintagepens.com/catillP-Z.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.vintagepens.com/catillP-Z.shtml</a> , but these are clearly from a higher quality than my pen, also much earlyer, 1905-1925.

My pen is depression period. Maybe a subbrand for cheapo's?

So I'll enter the <b>Victapen</b> brand as a new entry in the list with a reference to the patent you found. It can always be changed later if someone shows up with a relationship between <b>"United States Fountain Pen Victor"</b> as it is called on David's site and my Victapen.

Thanks a lot anyway <img src="https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

 

Further: I checked the datalist and there is no "United States Fountain Pen Victor" entry either, only a <b>Victor-Conway Stuart associated </b> reference. and a <b>Victor sub-brand from John Holland</b>, but that one is dated much earlyer (1880-1920) and from Cincinatty, the "United States Fountain Pen Victor" pens are, according to Nishimura, from New York. So If nobody objects I'll add this New York Victor branch also, with a reference to Nishimura's site.

 

Note: the references I add in the database are at the moment only existing in the system I am working with, not in the published shorter list from Gerry and Max. In the near future I will try to work out a method of publishing the (updated) short list as well as the 'extended' list with a lot of added information such as source references, remarks and extended descriptions for a lot of pens. This version will not be easy to publish as a simple text list in a posting, but maybe there is a way that members of this forum can download a complete file that contains all the data? At the moment I have no idea if a thing like that can be realized through the possibilities of this forum site or even by the organisation that hosts this site.

 

comes time, comes wisdom.....

 

That's it for today, love to hear your comments, as always.

 

Regards,

 

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[mutiger_speer]

Vielleicht kann ich helfen mit der Seite: www.merkurit-hamburg.de

[Kaweco]

Vielleicht kann ich helfen mit der Seite: www.merkurit-hamburg.de

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Gruß, T

[Lexaf]

Vielleicht kann ich helfen mit der Seite: www.merkurit-hamburg.de

 

Hi,

I looked at the site. Very nice! Well made, very professional. This inspires me to pick up the work on the Pen Brands Data Base again.

I left it alone for quite a time, also because my health was a bit of a problem, but now I see this I realize it's a good thing to continue and try to collect as many brands in the list so fellow fountain pen collectors will have a useful reference.

Thanks a lot for your posting!

Lexaf

[dzahn215]

This is very useful.

[rard.changizi]

Hi all,

 

I am a newbie to the network so excuse me if I'm in the wrong place. Is there such a list of British pen makers anywhere that I can access????

 

Look forward to hearing from you all soon.

 

Rard

[Lexaf]

Hi all,

 

I am a newbie to the network so excuse me if I'm in the wrong place. Is there such a list of British pen makers anywhere that I can access????

 

Look forward to hearing from you all soon.

 

Rard

 

I do not know of a list of Uk pen manufacturers but you could look at this site: http://www.wesonline.org.uk/index.html,

the website of the UK Writing Equipment Society.

The have a lot of info on British made Fountain pens.

Edited June 10, 2011 by Lexaf

[Aislingean]

I did not see Parke Davis a reliable direct sell brand sold around offices in the 1960s [Piston fill ink view]

Cestrian a quality pen marketed by a printing company in Chesire and possibly made under contract by Onoto / De la Rue

Twofold BCHR lever fill with a pencil lead holder in the cap.

Cheers

Dave

[jslallar]

Current production from Pakistan:

Piano - BPs, recently stepped into the Student FP market

Dollar - All kinds of writing instruments, but famous for cheap student FPs, piston filler and C/C type

 

Formerly there was an 'Eagle' too, no longer seen in the market, they had cheap student FPs piston fillers.

 

Out of the Chinese pens:

Goldenstar 555 with a SG on the clip. A P51 / 61 type pen with steel nib, I have a sample with me.

Rainbow: Have used it in my childhood as a slightly bigger better P51 / 61 copy pen from China; quality an size being compared to Wing Sung eg. The pen used to have an ink window about 1.5 - 2 mm, with steel rings both above and below it. Aerometric filler. No longer seen in the market.

 

Rainbow and Youth were among my childhood favourites.

[jslallar]

The list is no longer being upodtaed I think. But if you ever find the time and energy to update it, I had mentioned a few brands in my previous post.ASTON USA used to make BPs and MPs (at least I have a set of thesee, don't know about FPs) for company give aways.

[Seele]

jslallar,

 

I think the list is getting to be somewhat less manageable after it gets to be a certain size.

 

Regarding your previous post: the model of Golden Star you mentioned was from the Beijing firm, which started out as a branch operation of the Shanghai firm which eventually switched to making television sets.

 

Rainbow in Tianjin was started by a team from Hero, ordered to start a pen industry in that city. It eventually moved to larger premises and the firm had been defunct for quite some time, the original works was used for building the Tianjin 1963 air force chronometer. They made hooded nib pens and had quite a range too, the one you had was one of the larger ones.

 

By the way, I have been interested in Dollar demonstrator pens for a while, but they're hard to come by internationally at sensible prices; as far as I know they retailed for something like 30c, last time I checked. I asked Dollar about placing an international order and they said I would be welcomed to make a minimum order... of 900 units

[Navegador]

How about Brazil's Compactor?