determine the model of a pelikan pen

[danpines]

How does one determine the model of a pelikan pen i.e. is it a 150, 200 or 250 ?

 

thanks

dan

[Ray-Vigo]

I look at the size and the trim of the pen.

[Huy]

The 250 came with a gold nib and the 200 comes with a gold plated nib. I think they also come in different colors except for the solid black ones.

[KCat]

it gets a little more complex than gold nib v. gold plated. Nibs are easily changed out among some of these models.

 

In general, it's size, color scheme, and furniture (incl. nib)

 

The 150 is smaller than the 200/250/215. There are numerous links to Richard Binder's size chart in this forum, sorry don't have it memorized or I'd add it here. There's another site often pointed to for this info and again, it doesn't stick in my brain. I'll skim and see if I can find it.

 

the 200s are produced with gold-plated nibs (includes 215) and the 250s are produced with 14K nibs. However, some people get nibs exchanged therefore anything bought second-hand or even new-old-stock could show up reversed. Key to identifying them then falls on the appearance. M200s were made in either black, or a handful of marbled colors. Current models are blue, green, or black. Older models include a brown-marbled (sometimes called "tortoise" though it looks nothing like tortoise), gray-marbled, gray-magenta marbled (Telekom), and solid yellow (Citroenpers LE). Oh, and then there were the "translucents" which have been discontinued - blue, red, grey, green, amber.

 

250s were produced in two-tone colors, dark blue with black, burgundy with black, and I think a green with black. I'd need to track down pics to be sure on the trim differences. There were clear 250 models that came with 14K nibs. Don't know if those are still made but I never see them anymore so I doubt it.

 

150s were produced in solid colors and a few two-tones. They are markedly smaller and this is the big "tell" for those models.

 

NOS 200s will have domed caps and turning knobs while post-'97 models have flatter end caps with the logo screened on v. engraved.

 

this is a good page - as you can see, i forgot some examples. It gives the dimensions for the 75-250 range as well.

http://www.ruettinger-web.de/e-pelikan-modell-m75-m250.html

Edited June 7, 2008 by KCat

[danpines]

Thanks for the detailed reply

 

I attach a photo of the 2 pelikans I intend to sell. the black is used, the other one is NIB

Would you care to comment which model they are? they seem almost identical in size and trim and the nibs (black is medium, the other is fine) are not marked with gold content so they must be just gold plated.

 

thanks

dan

 

it gets a little more complex than gold nib v. gold plated. Nibs are easily changed out among some of these models.

 

In general, it's size, color scheme, and furniture (incl. nib)

 

The 150 is smaller than the 200/250/215. There are numerous links to Richard Binder's size chart in this forum, sorry don't have it memorized or I'd add it here. There's another site often pointed to for this info and again, it doesn't stick in my brain. I'll skim and see if I can find it.

 

the 200s are produced with gold-plated nibs (includes 215) and the 250s are produced with 14K nibs. However, some people get nibs exchanged therefore anything bought second-hand or even new-old-stock could show up reversed. Key to identifying them then falls on the appearance. M200s were made in either black, or a handful of marbled colors. Current models are blue, green, or black. Older models include a brown-marbled (sometimes called "tortoise" though it looks nothing like tortoise), gray-marbled, gray-magenta marbled (Telekom), and solid yellow (Citroenpers LE). Oh, and then there were the "translucents" which have been discontinued - blue, red, grey, green, amber.

 

250s were produced in two-tone colors, dark blue with black, burgundy with black, and I think a green with black. I'd need to track down pics to be sure on the trim differences. There were clear 250 models that came with 14K nibs. Don't know if those are still made but I never see them anymore so I doubt it.

 

150s were produced in solid colors and a few two-tones. They are markedly smaller and this is the big "tell" for those models.

 

NOS 200s will have domed caps and turning knobs while post-'97 models have flatter end caps with the logo screened on v. engraved.

 

this is a good page - as you can see, i forgot some examples. It gives the dimensions for the 75-250 range as well.

http://www.ruettinger-web.de/e-pelikan-modell-m75-m250.html

 

[danpines]

Thanks to all who answered

 

regards

dan

 

How does one determine the model of a pelikan pen i.e. is it a 150, 200 or 250 ?

 

thanks

dan

 

[danpines]

Kcat

 

I forgot to mention in previous reply :

measured with calipers

black is 127.40 mm

blue is 127.20 mm

so they could be model 200, 215, 250

 

but cap length is just under 59 mm so they do not fit any dimension given in the site you mentioned.

 

now what?

 

thanks

dan

 

it gets a little more complex than gold nib v. gold plated. Nibs are easily changed out among some of these models.

 

In general, it's size, color scheme, and furniture (incl. nib)

 

The 150 is smaller than the 200/250/215. There are numerous links to Richard Binder's size chart in this forum, sorry don't have it memorized or I'd add it here. There's another site often pointed to for this info and again, it doesn't stick in my brain. I'll skim and see if I can find it.

 

the 200s are produced with gold-plated nibs (includes 215) and the 250s are produced with 14K nibs. However, some people get nibs exchanged therefore anything bought second-hand or even new-old-stock could show up reversed. Key to identifying them then falls on the appearance. M200s were made in either black, or a handful of marbled colors. Current models are blue, green, or black. Older models include a brown-marbled (sometimes called "tortoise" though it looks nothing like tortoise), gray-marbled, gray-magenta marbled (Telekom), and solid yellow (Citroenpers LE). Oh, and then there were the "translucents" which have been discontinued - blue, red, grey, green, amber.

 

250s were produced in two-tone colors, dark blue with black, burgundy with black, and I think a green with black. I'd need to track down pics to be sure on the trim differences. There were clear 250 models that came with 14K nibs. Don't know if those are still made but I never see them anymore so I doubt it.

 

150s were produced in solid colors and a few two-tones. They are markedly smaller and this is the big "tell" for those models.

 

NOS 200s will have domed caps and turning knobs while post-'97 models have flatter end caps with the logo screened on v. engraved.

 

this is a good page - as you can see, i forgot some examples. It gives the dimensions for the 75-250 range as well.

http://www.ruettinger-web.de/e-pelikan-modell-m75-m250.html

 

[KCat]

Kcat

 

I forgot to mention in previous reply :

measured with calipers

black is 127.40 mm

blue is 127.20 mm

so they could be model 200, 215, 250

 

but cap length is just under 59 mm so they do not fit any dimension given in the site you mentioned.

 

now what?

 

thanks

dan

 

215s are new and come with silver appointments. Those domed end caps indicate pre-'97 200s. The furniture and color are both pre'97 M200 colors. The pre-'97, as you see, had 1.5 cap bands. New 200s/215s have single cap bands. The old 250 came in black but since this one has the gold-plated nib, I think it's safe to say this is a 200.

[danpines]

OK, thanks, will treat them as model 200

 

would have been easier if pelikan marked them clearly.

 

regards

dan

 

 

 

Kcat

 

I forgot to mention in previous reply :

measured with calipers

black is 127.40 mm

blue is 127.20 mm

so they could be model 200, 215, 250

 

but cap length is just under 59 mm so they do not fit any dimension given in the site you mentioned.

 

now what?

 

thanks

dan

 

215s are new and come with silver appointments. Those domed end caps indicate pre-'97 200s. The furniture and color are both pre'97 M200 colors. The pre-'97, as you see, had 1.5 cap bands. New 200s/215s have single cap bands. The old 250 came in black but since this one has the gold-plated nib, I think it's safe to say this is a 200.

 

[KCat]

Most "high end" (as compared to less than $50 let's say) pens are not marked by any kind of model number. no "149" on the MB 149 or "Sapporo" v. "Pro Gear" on those two Sailors. Just something ya gotta go through with companies that make similar models in different sizes.

 

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Dan's picture shows what looks to me like a pair of M200s from the previous generation, at least 10 years old (was it 1997 when they changed the M200 cap design?), and perhaps more than 20 years old. At any rate, the same vintage as my blue M200, and a worn-out M200 barrel and cap I have in my desk drawer.

 

The M150s of that era are as KCat describes them (I have a black one with cap and fill-knob in charcoal), but I recently noticed that Pelikan now offers a completely different pen under that model number.

 

Also, one thing about the mechanics of the cap (something I learned the hard way):

The cap consists of four pieces (not counting the trim-ring on the cap body):

The cap body (this is the threaded part with the trim rings)

The inner cap (hidden inside)

The pocket clip

The nut

 

 

The top of the cap body is open; the inner cap has a closed, threaded end that sticks out of the top of the cap body, and the nut screws down onto that threaded end, holding the whole cap together. In the old design, the logo button was the nut; in the new design, the logo button is the end of the inner cap, and the nut is a simple ring.

The picture shows the new style on top, and the old style on the bottom. Note that the new style inner cap is slightly domed, while the old style inner cap is flat on top.

[danpines]

james

nice to know that , thanks, even though I do not think I will attempt to disassemble the caps...

 

regards

dan

 

Dan's picture shows what looks to me like a pair of M200s from the previous generation, at least 10 years old (was it 1997 when they changed the M200 cap design?), and perhaps more than 20 years old. At any rate, the same vintage as my blue M200, and a worn-out M200 barrel and cap I have in my desk drawer.

 

The M150s of that era are as KCat describes them (I have a black one with cap and fill-knob in charcoal), but I recently noticed that Pelikan now offers a completely different pen under that model number.

 

Also, one thing about the mechanics of the cap (something I learned the hard way):

The cap consists of four pieces (not counting the trim-ring on the cap body):

The cap body (this is the threaded part with the trim rings)

The inner cap (hidden inside)

The pocket clip

The nut

 

 

The top of the cap body is open; the inner cap has a closed, threaded end that sticks out of the top of the cap body, and the nut screws down onto that threaded end, holding the whole cap together. In the old design, the logo button was the nut; in the new design, the logo button is the end of the inner cap, and the nut is a simple ring.

The picture shows the new style on top, and the old style on the bottom. Note that the new style inner cap is slightly domed, while the old style inner cap is flat on top.

 

[diplomat]

Those domed end caps indicate pre-'97 200s. The furniture and color are both pre'97 M200 colors. The pre-'97, as you see, had 1.5 cap bands. New 200s/215s have single cap bands. The old 250 came in black but since this one has the gold-plated nib, I think it's safe to say this is a 200.

 

That is interesting. I have recently purchased a Pelikan that I'm not able to ID. It looks like a pre '97 M200 but it has a single band like the post '97. It is not a M100 since the cap band is not "angular" like those shown by Ruettinger but is like the new M200... The domed cap has no brand. Is anyone able to answer that? I attach the pics.

 

Thanks in advance

 

capped:

 

uncapped (yes, the nib is damaged )

 

 

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

I'm only guessing, but I'm thinking, "M100."

 

 

As to the lack of a logo, that could very well be a matter of wear.