Shake the bottle?

[JJBlanche]

Maybe, as a compromise, it might be better to add a few drops of RO or distilled water and then shake? The only thing I can imagine precipitating out of Noodler's ink is the dye, and then only because some of the water evaporated. If I find particulate sinking to the bottom of Noodler's, despite the fact that it has the proper amount of water, I'd put some serious thought into looking for a new ink.

Edited May 13, 2008 by JJBlanche

[Philip1209]

Maybe, as a compromise, it might be better to add a few drops of RO or distilled water and then shake? The only thing I can imagine precipitating out of Noodler's ink is the dye, and then only because some of the water evaporated. If I find particulate sinking to the bottom of Noodler's, despite the fact that it has the proper amount of water, I'd put some serious thought into looking for a new ink.

 

I get the feeling that noodler's ink is more of a suspension, so it would be less stable, and keeping it in a warmer drawer could cause precipitation. Don't forget that noodler's ink is prided on the fact that it is water based- that means that it's not an emulsion.

[Melnicki]

has anyone ever gotten to the bottom of a noodler's bottle? (after actually using it for months -- years?! -- without shaking?)

 

I wonder if you could then add water to that.

 

I haven't decided to stop using Noodler's Bulletproofs -- they are just so useful... What I've decided is to just live with the lighter color... In response to Antonios -- indeed I notice a different color (shaken vs unshaken).... I just don't find it to be too drastic, but no two eyes are the same (in fact, each of my eyes sees colors slightly differently!!)

 

What remains to be stated is whether anyone who has been shaking their Noodler's has had clogging issues. I have. But I am reckless with my pens -- I clean them after maybe 10 consecutive fills, and I mix inks. So then the real question is: does anyone (who uses their pens without cleaning often) shake their noodler's and experience clogging?

 

I think it is a perfectly reasonable to conclude that shaken Noodlers can be used without any problems in the long term if you clean your pen with soapy water after every fill.

 

By the way, regarding the residue on the aforementioned cartridge of one of my pens that clogged -- a single chase with soapy water removed all of it, and even is passable as ink.

Edited May 13, 2008 by Melnicki

[Garageboy]

Before Shaking

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/roofdweller49/IMG_3209.jpg

After about a minute

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/roofdweller49/IMG_3210.jpg

[JJBlanche]

Ehh...that's not very comforting. But is that the banknote green color? I've heard various reports that banknote is not so great from a number of angles.

[JJBlanche]

Hey, do you guys think there would be a way to contact the owner/mixer of Noodler's and show him this thread, to see what his response would be?

[Juan in Andalucia]

Hey, do you guys think there would be a way to contact the owner/mixer of Noodler's and show him this thread, to see what his response would be?

 

I don't think Nathan would have the time to answer all the issues with noodler's. Consider all the range of noodler's inks, and then all the possible pen combos... I think people have written more on noodler's than with noodler's.

 

Now, why do people who have these issues with this ink and still use it is beyond my understanding.

[Mannenhitsu]

This is good information to know. I was debating this same topic with a friend of mine tonight, and now I will have to talk him into coming online here to read this thread. He shakes his Waterman Florida Blue and Black ink bottles every day, even when he has no plans of filling his pens. Whereas, I never shake them and just fill my pens when they run dry. However, I will start shaking my Noodler's Black before I fill my pen again.

[Titivillus]

Hey, do you guys think there would be a way to contact the owner/mixer of Noodler's and show him this thread, to see what his response would be?

 

Nathan reads the sits on occasion and has posted in some threads.

 

Kurt

 

[Juan in Andalucia]

Has any of you considered that the ink in your pens can also precipitate? What about shaking your pens? You could solve the precipitation in the sac/body/converter... but, what about the fins of the feeder, for example? Just because you can't see it, it doesn't mean it's not happening.

 

Juan

[JJBlanche]

I think that's the biggest worry, Juan. If an ink precipitates in the bottle, one could reasonably presume that it would precipitate in the pen. That said, most movement from simple use would probably rectify that problem, but a pen that has sat for a while...that might be a different story.

 

I've just ordered a number of sample inks in an effort to find a solid blue and/or black, and there's only one Noodler's among that group...so unless I really, really like the color, I'm not going to be keeping it around.

[Juan in Andalucia]

I think that's the biggest worry, Juan. If an ink precipitates in the bottle, one could reasonably presume that it would precipitate in the pen. That said, most movement from simple use would probably rectify that problem, but a pen that has sat for a while...that might be a different story.

 

I've just ordered a number of sample inks in an effort to find a solid blue and/or black, and there's only one Noodler's among that group...so unless I really, really like the color, I'm not going to be keeping it around.

 

Have you tried Pelikan/Cross black? I haven't used black ink too much because most looked like dark grey. Pelikan did the trick; I can't believe I missed it.

 

As for shaking the pens, it won't work if the pen is full loaded, and still I think that the ink in the feeder and nib wouldn't notice. Anyway, the idea of shaking my pens like Carman Miranda with maracas on speed is not my idea of using a fountain pen.

 

Juan

 

[Guest Gracie]

I have a bottle of Noodler's Red-Black which, after sitting for awhile, is just red when dipped into with a dip pen. I have to shake it to make it red-black again. Does this mean that I shouldn't use it in anything but a cheap fountain pen or a dip pen?

[JefferyS]

If it's an organic dye, it is constantly being bombarded by water molecules that prevent it from coming anywhere close to settling out. Even carbon particles suspended in India ink will not settle out unless they have become clumped together enough to form a large particle of solid. This really threw some early microscopists, who thought they were seeing moving bacteria. It is known as Brownian movement. There are probably videos on Youtube showing random thermal motion. You can stop the random thermal motion. It just requires bringing the temperature down to .... absolute zero. Atoms in a solid even jiggle a bit.

 

Clay in the Mississippi a colloid as well, so much of it is carried all the way out to the Gulf without settling on the thousand mile journey.

 

If something has settled in your fountain pen ink, I'm guessing that it is a wad of fungus (which isn't colloidal).

[torstar]

Noodler's Periwinkle and Blue on the Plains of Abraham (or whatever it was called) required shaking.

 

Make sure the lid is on tight first...

[lapis]

Noodler's Periwinkle and Blue on the Plains of Abraham (or whatever it was called) required shaking.....

Okay, if you really feel that way, then just do it... but shaking ... and/or having to shake it means that you do not have a solution in the first place, but rather, you have a suspension sooo... go figure.

 

Mike

 

 

[hoppes no9]

The one exception to the "no solids" rule is an ink like Noodler's bulletproof inks, which contain suspended micro-particulate matter. But this particulate matter is so fine that Brownian motion keeps it from settling.

 

 

The other exception is inks such as Herbin Hematite Rouge, which has gold particles in suspension -- if you don't shake the bottle, you won't get any of the gold!

 

BTW, I once played on a really pathetic (myself included) hockey team called Brownian Motion. :roflmho:

[torstar]

Noodler's Periwinkle and Blue on the Plains of Abraham (or whatever it was called) required shaking.....

Okay, if you really feel that way, then just do it... but shaking ... and/or having to shake it means that you do not have a solution in the first place, but rather, you have a suspension sooo... go figure.

 

Mike

 

 

you are correct

 

both were round-filed before their time

[Richard]

The other exception is inks such as Herbin Hematite Rouge, which has gold particles in suspension -- if you don't shake the bottle, you won't get any of the gold!

Which is why I dropped Sheaffer's King's Gold in the oubliette as fast as I could. Shake these inks, and you get metallic particles. You also get clogs up the ying yang.

[imahawki]

If you don't vigorously shake your Rouge Hematite, you're wasting your money buying the ink.