How many versions of the Toledo are there?

[Readymade]

Am trying to find out more about the different versions of the Pelikan Toledo. Could you please help?

 

In particular, when the Toledo was re-introduced in 1986, what was was it based on? And did that model change?

 

Thanks in advance

 

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So far, what I've gleaned off the internet:

 

 

Model

Years of Production

Pen Colour

Engraving

Nib

 

 

T111

1931-1937

Black

Gold-plated steel

14K

 

100N Toledo

1937 - ?

Black

Gold-plated steel

14K

 

(Toledo - model number?)

1986 - ?

Black. Based on M400

Vermeil? Sterling silver?

14K

 

(Toledo - M900?)

1992 - ?

Black. Based on M800

Vermeil / Sterling Silver?

14K

 

M111T “1931: Originals of their time”

Mar 2003

Replica of the T111

24K gold

18K

 

M900

2007 - present

Red. Based on M800.

Vermeil

18K

 

M910

2007 - present

Red, Based on M800.

Sterling Silver

18K

[Pelikanyo]

Wow...there's a lot to say on the Toledos...

Quick comments from work...more later.

 

The smaller modern Toledo with the matte finish clip and twin rings was based on the 1930's pieces.

The model is the M700...7xx pens are all older style (smaller) 600 size with metal bindes. First ones had no Pelikan markings...later ones are marked on the turning knob "Pelikan W-Germany." These knobs, used long after the wall came down are still found on newer pieces.

 

The larger M900 was first introduced as a L.E. of 500 pieces to North America, at $1200. These are marked "W.Germany" on the cap rings, and do not have a "925" silver stamp on the binde. Later M900's contain the mark, and caps are marked "Germany."

The engravers...father, and two sons, also added an extra feather line on the pelican wing to designate newer bindes on these "925" pieces.

 

More as I think of it...I gotta write this stuff down!

 

Regards,

Pelikanyo Paul

 

[Readymade]

Wow...there's a lot to say on the Toledos...

More as I think of it...I gotta write this stuff down!

 

Yes, please do ^_^

 

Lots of questions already:

 

Father and son team?

 

"Modern" version with matte clip and double rings = M700?

 

Hope to find out more please.

[Pelikanyo]

The engraved lines cut into the bande were all done by three people...each has their own mark on the pen.

There's a mark after the number that is the "signature" of the engraver. Most carry the father's mark...a "C" with a rotated (90 degrees to the right) "T" inside of it. One son uses a circle with a dot in the center, and I can't remember the third mark at the moment.

 

The small size vermeil Toledo is designated as the M700. The gold fittings on the cap are all matte finished, as is the clip, and there are two milled cap rings...this style taken from the vintage Toledos.

 

The original bindes were iron...not silver, and the "Originals" L.E. series piece is also made using iron. It's really a perfect copy of the original except for the type of feed used...it uses a modern plastic comb feed, rather than an ebonite fin feed.

 

Ever see a Toledo rollerball?

 

Pelikanyo Paul

Edited February 16, 2008 by Pelikanyo

[Pelikanyo]

See the 4 feather lines on the wing of this "W. Germany" L.E. binde?

The newer "Germany" pieces have 5.

The engravers liked to make small changes when a piece was reissued.

(yes...there are some newer 900's with 4...old binds used??)

Edited February 16, 2008 by Pelikanyo

[Pelikanyo]

Here's a newer "Germany" binde with 5 feathers.

You can also see the engraver's mark after the serial number.

[Pelikanyo]

Documentation for "M900 Collectors"...or "W. Germany."

(Pelikan folks call it a "Westie")

There is an additional document that lists the xxx of 500 serial number.

Edited February 16, 2008 by Pelikanyo

[ethernautrix]

[Takes out her small Pelikan Toledo purchased in 1988 probably, maybe 1989.] Oo! Needs a polish!

 

The nib is plain, without the curlicues of the larger pens. Hrm.

[Bill D]

Thanks, Pelikanyo. That was very interesting, and those are beautiful pens.

 

Bill

[Pelikanyo]

[Takes out her small Pelikan Toledo purchased in 1988 probably, maybe 1989.] Oo! Needs a polish!

 

The nib is plain, without the curlicues of the larger pens. Hrm.

 

Yup...just slightly curved lines...pre curly stuff Is it two-tone...or all yellow?

Any markings on the turning knob?

 

[raffor]

The First M900 Toledo had a 20kt nib.

 

Bye!!!

[Pelikanyo]

The First M900 Toledo had a 20kt nib.

 

Bye!!!

 

Yes...they did...but not the 500 destined for North America.

They were replaced with 18C, and marked as such by Pelikan, on the outer cardboard box.

 

[CharlieB]

Did the same father and son team that worked on the Toledo also work on the Concerto? There seem to me to be similarities in the design and workmanship on the two models.

[Pelikanyo]

Did the same father and son team that worked on the Toledo also work on the Concerto? There seem to me to be similarities in the design and workmanship on the two models.

 

Yes. The Concerto has a hand-etched binde.

Later bindes while toledo-like eliminated the hand work. The Asian editions are an example (Phoenix etc.)

 

 

[ethernautrix]

 

Here is a photo I took of my Toledo yesterday:

 

 

 

 

The nib is two-toned, and Pelikan W. Germany is printed on the bottom of the turning knob.

 

I kept the wooden box (it's somewhere 'round here) and the certificate, but I usually toss all packing materials.

[Pelikanyo]

 

 

The nib is two-toned, and Pelikan W. Germany is printed on the bottom of the turning knob.

 

I kept the wooden box (it's somewhere 'round here) and the certificate, but I usually toss all packing materials.

 

A beautiful photo, and a very nice M700!

 

[Readymade]

Thanks to everyone who's shared their photos and knowledge. I have to say that I've been poisoned even more (if that's possible)!

 

Time to start saving for a Toledo...

[Rick Propas]

Some images of the original Pelikan 111T from the 1930s. The carving is much more intricate and done entirely by hand.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/rickp/DSCN0007.jpg.

At the bottom of the image, by the way is a 110, white gold.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/rickp/Toledo2.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/rickp/Toledo1.jpg

This pen shows some damage.

This one is mine, but the image is poor

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/rickp/PBtol.jpg

I'll try to put up some better images of my own pen tomorrow when I (hopefully) have some time

 

[dduran]

How about toledos with 6! feathers...? Anyone has an idea regarding that?

[Pennata Penna]

How about toledos with 6! feathers...? Anyone has an idea regarding that?

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5345/9091556634_2859de9c73_z.jpg

 

Tony Rex