Baystate Blue Ruined My Yellow Lamy

[Rapt]

I have to say that I'm not even remotely an experienced user... (Still waiting for my first shipment of inks to arrive and they are ALL Noodler's)... but I read the information and the write up and saw that Baystate Blue was clearly different in a manner that made it LESS friendly to use than other Noodler's products. Which some people already have issues with. It was clear to me that this wasn't an ink to just use without any care or thought, and that it was a departure from Nathan's usual "requirements" for his inks in terms of "neutrality" since the PH is considerably higher... Its about the same as my tap water which is quite hard.

Of course I did READ the information provided and I DO have a technical background...

 

As Nathan's lawyer friend pointed out ink stains...

 

Oh and I'd consider buying this ink as I like a nice blue. Its moderately durable it seems, but I'm waiting to see if the Polar blue does what I want of it.

 

Since Nathan's inks are so dye rich, I don't see why more people don't experiment with dilution if they're happier with "less intense" inks. A way to get the best of Noodler's and still be able rest easier if you have issues with stains...

 

Like others I understand the pain of having something unexpected happen, but unlike others I would consider it self inflicted, rather than something that requires copious warnings against what to me is obvious. Next we'll be getting warnings not to put plastic bags over our heads or use a hairdryer in the shower...

 

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Edited February 1, 2008 by Rapt

[scribbler77]

Like others I understand the pain of having something unexpected happen, but unlike others I would consider it self inflicted, rather than something that requires copious warnings against what to me is obvious. Next we'll be getting warnings not to put plastic bags over our heads or use a hairdryer in the shower... [/color]

 

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Hear, hear. There is really no substitute for common sense, unless one is producing products for small children!

[scribbler77]

If Baystate continues it will be with a label adjustment (only one retailer is thinking about dropping it because he "does not like any controversy" - and he won't be sold anymore if he does drop it -

 

If any retailer does drop it, would you let us know who that is? I, for one, would want to make sure I don't buy anything else from him or her.

 

Nathan is doing us a great service in making a wide variety of interesting, special inks available to those of us who prefer a fountain pen to a ballpoint. He deserves our support rather than constant carping when careless use causes some unpleasantness. Yes, it is careless use to put any saturated ink in a light colored plastic pen!

 

And, by the way, Nathan's reference to the Platinum Preppy is right on! I have four of them now, each used with a different Noodler's ink and they behave flawlessly. If any of the inks should stain one, I wouldn't care one whit!

[Titivillus]

Like others I understand the pain of having something unexpected happen, but unlike others I would consider it self inflicted, rather than something that requires copious warnings against what to me is obvious. Next we'll be getting warnings not to put plastic bags over our heads or use a hairdryer in the shower... [/color]

 

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Hear, hear. There is really no substitute for common sense, unless one is producing products for small children!

 

But common sense would say that a product made to be used with a fountain pen would not damage/ stain the outside of the pen.

 

 

Kurt

 

[Bill Smith]

All this because a $30 Lamy got ruined....Part of my career is writing web copy to communicate a corporate message. I read the copy attached to Baystate Blue on the Noodlers Site. Nathan explains in plain english this is a special ink, treat it as such. Two things, be more careful when filling your pens or use one with a black grip section if staining scares you.

 

I hope Baystate Blue stays on the market.

[Titivillus]

He deserves our support rather than constant carping when careless use causes some unpleasantness. Yes, it is careless use to put any saturated ink in a light colored plastic pen!

 

 

Wait a second how can you say there is constant carping with Noodlers. As with all ink manufacturers if people have a problem they talk about it. When Pelikan had their problems people talked about it, STIB was talked about and when Private Reserve also had issues and people talked about them and things changed. Why is this considered carping unless there are more issues with Noodlers?

 

Face it we are his beta testers and if issues come up I would think that he would like to know about them.

As for your definition of careless why would using a product for it's intended purpose be careless?

 

 

Kurt

Edited February 1, 2008 by Tytyvyllus

[simonrob]

I have used Polar Black, Luxury Blue, and Apache Sunset. So far I have not had any staining problems, but that could be because I'm using the bulletproof ones in Black pens.

OTOH, my vintage Waterman Blue ink stained our kitchen sink. I doubt that it's permanent though.

 

I've had a couple of inks "threaten" to stain my sinks. Like the OP, I scrubbed with SoftScrub or otherwise soaked in bleach. Neither were Noodlers inks. I can't recall which inks they were - one was a blue. That surprised me. I tend to think of most common blue inks as relatively "safe." I wish I could say what it was - I use a number of PR and Diamine inks. Doubt it was the latter. The other stainers were reds/purples and the sink was old and only stained in the cracks near the drain. Still, I'm much more careful with all of my inks when rinsing simply because I was surprised by how quickly this particular blue ink soaked in.

 

I do a fair amount of ink mixing, with a recent bias towards "earthy" colours involving a fair amount of red. So far, the only one to stain (even slightly) the plastic beakers in the PR mixing kit is - somewhat to my surprise - a Diamine ink, Crimson (a vulgar magenta, not crimson, but that's another matter...).

 

Simon (looking forward to buying some Baystate Blue, potential stains notwithstanding)

[Splicer]

My last comment...it does seem Noodler's always gets the finger point first

 

Well I can't say I'm surprised. This is exactly what you can expect because of what you do.

 

Noodler's inks have personality. A lot of thought, research and experimentation goes into them. You don't make inks 'by the book', you strive for the best solution for a given set of parameters, and when there are different parameters there are obviously different results. I would not expect to have the same experience writing with X-Feather that I would writing with Polar Black. (I don't have a bottle of X-Feather, so I'm not just making a point).

 

I admire and applaud this. Others could see it as a lack of consistency. The natural result is that there are some Noodler's inks I just will not use any longer, and others that I will use in some pens but not in others. Hunter is not going anywhere near my lava 600 ever again, or if it does I'm filling the converter directly and not dipping the nib. It didn't stain the section, but it put me through a lot of work to scrub it off of the section. I respect what you've done and there are other pens that I'll continue to use Hunter in, but believe me, in the moments when I was first frantically trying to scrub it off the section of my 600 I had some choice words for you that are not suitable for this family-oriented forum. I'm very glad I didn't have the chance to say them directly to you.

 

These aren't average inks. They don't behave like average inks. They are bound to surprise people who have only ever used the majority of inks on the market. Since Noodler's has the greatest variation from the norm, Noodler's will always get blamed first. You bake a pie for years with the same recipe, then change an ingredient and it ruins your pie, you blame that ingredient. That's logical. Someone uses the same pen for years with many different inks, switches to Noodler's and has some sort of problem very likely is not going to wonder whether the nib or feed is faulty, even if it is. It's worked fine with every other ink, so what is that person supposed to think?

 

I recently made the reverse mistake. I have several of the same kind of pen and lost track of which inks I'd loaded which with after I'd bought a new one of that model. The line this EF was putting down was broader than the line that other Fs of the same model were putting down. I assumed that I'd gotten a fluke and sent it to Richard Binder to be ground down to an EF. When he received it, he wrote back that it was already an XXF! As it turns out, I'd loaded it with Polar Black, which runs so wet that it will lay down a line a step or two broader than other inks in the same pens.

 

I should have investigated further before blaming the pen, but assuming that the pen was faulty still seems like the natural conclusion from what I observed. In the future I will be more careful about keeping track of what pen gets loaded with what ink before I embarrass myself by shipping a perfectly good pen out for repair! And Polar Black is never going into one of my drawing pens again. I say that without hysteria or malice or blame; it's still a fine ink for writing and it still has some fantastic qualities. But it is not suitable when I need to be able to put down a 0.25mm line next to a 0.35mm line... if I end up with a 0.50mm line, I'm screwed. (No, I'm not exaggerating. Eternal black in one pen lays down 0.25mm, Polar in the same pen 0.50mm)

 

If you made all inks just like one another, you wouldn't have much problem with people not getting what they expect. And there would be very little reason to get Noodler's inks. We buy it and pay more for it (I'm sorry that so little of that money actually makes it to you, but it's a fact that we do pay more than for other inks) because it has attributes different from the other inks on the market.

 

Nobody's picking on you. A home run hitter will have a lower batting average. That's just how it is. Don't go changin'. Or rather, don't stop changin'.

[Rapt]

My last comment...it does seem Noodler's always gets the finger point first

 

Noodler's inks have personality. A lot of thought, research and experimentation goes into them. You don't make inks 'by the book', you strive for the best solution for a given set of parameters, and when there are different parameters there are obviously different results. ****SNIP****

Don't go changin'. Or rather, don't stop changin'.

 

Hear hear, and this is why I chose Noodler's for my first ink purchases, and likely will be the only brand I ever buy... Because its clear to me that there are a lot of unique inks suited to specific applications. The common saying is to use the right tool for the job, so why should ink be any different?

 

As an engineer I know that when working at the limits of performance, every time one improves one area there is a penalty to be paid elsewhere. Its clear to me that Nathan of Noodler's knows this and does his best when making the inks and to let us know about it when describing the inks. That means to me a true effort to maximize performance and that's good for us who want those special characteristics. If you don't want those special things then the ink is going to disappoint.

 

Personally I consider pen and ink a permanent medium. What good is writing in a supposedly permanent medium if it isn't permanent? That's my main motivation for choosing Noodler's, they're the only ones who make truly permanent fountain pen safe ink.

[I am not a number]

Next we'll be getting warnings not to put plastic bags over our heads or use a hairdryer in the shower...

Should I move the electric toaster from the side of the bath and back into the kitchen? It would be a shame because it saves a good few minutes to be able to have breakfast while I'm in the tub. I also use the extension cable to balance the soap and I keep my toothbrush in one of the socket holes.

 

On a more serious note, I want Baystate Blue.

 

I want gallons of it, it's a fantastic colour, as close to my perfect blue as I'm likely to see.

Edited February 1, 2008 by I am not a number

[SamCapote]

It's sad when a valued pen get stained, or dropped, or lost, or any number of other bad things that can happen to a pen. But I must confess that I have little sympathy for the notion that an ink maker ought to warn customers that his (or her, or its) ink may stain a pen or anything else. Ink is dye, dye stains! It's a risk we all take every time we put dye-laden liquid in a light-colored pen. Should the ink maker really be required to test his product with every brand of pen and print a warning? What other warnings should there be? Do not drink. Do not splatter. Caution, contents are inky. Where would it end?

 

I mean no disrespect for Sam or those who expressed sympathy for him, truly I don't. Yes, a stain is a pain. But to blame the ink maker for not warning about it -- I'm sorry, I just don't see it.

 

There was extensive testing on many plastics. I don't have every new pen plastic in stock - though I do have extensive vintage plastics (advisory:do not permit casein to touch water based anything). The comment about warnings hit home - you see, one of the first Noodler's labels had used all the standard warnings about a water based product and then what it could stain (think...fabrics, etc..) - that label eventually became a 3 page folded insert. A lawyer friend of mine let me in on a secret: "...every judge in America knows that ink stains, afterall...that is what it is supposed to do." I still always feel that doing business in America today is like walking on broken glass - any moment, in an instant...you and your efforts can bleed to death for even a minor misstep.

 

If Baystate continues it will be with a label adjustment (only one retailer is thinking about dropping it because he "does not like any controversy" - and he won't be sold anymore if he does drop it - everyone else is upset that I thought of dropping it - some even angry....and your e-mails are so vastly in favor of maintaining it - not one negative...that it will be maintained). Any suggestions for a label adjustment beyond listing it as... a vintage replica ink and unlike every other Noodler's ink...even with a divergent pH - as has already been stated upon the label? I thought my posting notified people this was a vintage ink in modern form...but really, truly...a genuine vintage style ink. Perhaps the label needs more? Something that is brief and will not take up more than a line....certainly not a three page insert label... We still have yet to replicate any staining here - and several retailers have also failed to replicate any staining - it has been noted that drying it on certain plastics made the use of common water more effective in its removal....but still no unremovable stains. If I get a yellow lamy like that one I'll certainly try to re-create a stain that is not removable with common water...well, I'll be getting some of that plastic sooner or later - already asking for a parts pen from sources. We'll see. The variables of the ink market are infinite...it really is impossible to please every pen user...so I'll keep trying to please 97%. ;-)

 

I'll have to expand the collection of modern plastics - but is it the ink company that must adjust a classic 1940's ink to modern plastics...or the pen manufacturer who should be making a modern plastic that evolves forward in its utility and durability instead of towards more stain prone plastics? Vegetal resins, casein, milk proteins?? My last comment...it does seem Noodler's always gets the finger point first...never a pen manufacturer for a poor feed or a nib that one needs soapy ink to write with as a thin ray of light cannot even pass through tines so tight that they appear fused together. Platinum makes that Preppy pen....and I've seen many of these pens now - each nib works, each feed is well etched...you can see light through each nib. If Platinum can make such a pen for the price they charge - low enough to enable Noodler's to include them at no additional charge with dropper bottles of ink...why are pens infinitely more costly encountering nibs that fail to even pass a thin ray of light through the tines? That Platinum pen can write as a fountain pen, a highlighter/marker...and even as a brush pen (if I can swing it, brush pen tips will be included soon as well) - truly a versatile writing instrument...clear stain resistant barrel, and a massive ink capacity - well, we will not be giving away those yellow pens with ink bottles anytime soon...sticking with the clear Platinums.....

 

After reading Nathan's second post and some additional comments that I perceive are directly or indirectly casting negative aspersions in my directions, I got disappointed about this all over again...so please take that into account when reading my comments.

 

Nathan, your first post gave an unrelated commentary regarding Noodler's finances and nearly having been forced into bankruptcy by higher taxes in Massachusetts. I do not understand why a legitimate and documented post about your new ink staining my yellow Lamy pen justifies pulling out "The Bankruptcy Card" in this public thread. I did not attack you or Noodler's as a company. The issue is whether the new beautiful Baystate blue ink stains in a most unusual manner or not. With respect, I wish that you and others had just confined your comments to this specific issue. If you want everyone to know about your corporate viability and financial profit margins, I think that should be stated in a separate thread.

 

Second, I clearly and repeatedly praised the actual ink color. I recommended it, even saying that I was keeping my two bottles, and hoping this topic lead to more sales. I again want to be clear that I was never trashing the Noodler's lineup of inks. Steering the topic into unrelated directions is not helpful to the narrow, specific yellow Lamy Safari staining issue that I documented in the photo.

 

Third, none of your other permanent, bulletproof, eternal inks had the same staining effect on my sink as did this Baystate ink. That is a fact that indicated to me that there is something VERY unique about this particular Baystate that separates it from all other inks that I have used.

 

IMHO, this unique staining risk deserved a clear warning, and is likely why you added "approximately 8-9 pH range" on the side of the label. What you may want to consider is that this information meant absolutely nothing to me. I actually did read it before using the ink, but I would be surprised if most people know the pH of all their inks, and what effect this 8-9 pH range would have vis-à-vis potentially staining the plastic of a pen.

 

Fourth, your "common water" bleach solution did not remove the stain from either the pen or my sink.

 

Fifth, and perhaps the most disappointing issue about this whole topic was reading in your second post that you are now threatening to withhold supplying any retailer who does not want to sell this one Baystate ink—even if as a result of consumer complaints that may expose them to a undesired risk.

 

Put yourself in their shoes, and imagine someone had a $2,000+ vintage pen with a light color ceramic barrel which was permanently ruined because they also did not understand what "approx 8-9 pH range" was intended to mean as a warning by the Noodler's Ink company. Who do you think would be left holding the bag if the consumer calls the store they got it from? Given your reputation, this threatening comment shocked me.

 

From my perspective, this was only ever about the extreme staining effect of this one ink on this one pen barrel (& noticing the difference in my sink staining). Please take a minute and search all my posts on this forum, and you will find that I have been an absolute "Noodler fanboy". I don't ever recall saying anything bad about any Noodler's ink. I even defended your use of the word "Napalm" when that term was discussed.

 

I don't agree with your suggestion that the average user should have full awareness because an ink is a stain, or because you tested it on 'many plastics' that something like this staining should be meaningless. Your comments also gives me a feeling like I did something wrong for even thinking of using it in a yellow Lamy pen....or that this is clearly Lamy's fault that they used such a poor grade of plastic. Perhaps you should enter into a dialogue with Lamy or test it on some vintage ceramic pens?

 

Here is my idea of a succinct and understandable label warning:

 

 

Get rid of the pH range, as most of us are not biochemical engineers carrying around litmus paper in our shirt pockets.

 

Put something obvious like: Caution This Ink May Stain Some Pen Plastics. That would get everyone's attention as to it being something beyond a typical ink. It's up to you if you want to add your "common water" removal tip, but it didn't work on this pen.

 

I will now show these other pictures showing the additional staining from nib creep after capping the pen and sitting for an hour before I emptied out the pen. There are no cracks or defects in the shiny, polished plastic molding, and none of the additional lines of ink creep running up the side are removable with the bleach common water solution.

 

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/pike444/baystate-mess3.jpg

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/pike444/baystate-mess2.jpg

 

I got my replacement pen today (Saturday) from Swishers, which I really appreciate. Since the old pen was already stained, I did this new experiment and show the results in this latest photo below. I took a small plastic rod, and applied streaks of Baystate ink along the sides of all 3 pen sections. I left it on for approximately 5-10 seconds, and wiped off excess ink with Kleenex which spread the staining with an immediate effect.

 

I immediately flushed the plastic under cold water, with no effect. After just a few minutes, I mixed up another 25% Clorox Bleach & water solution. I rubbed a saturated rag on the stained sections, with no removal of the stains. This photo shows the final result.

 

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/pike444/baystate-mess4.jpg

 

I do not know if this issue is a particular problem with the Lamy yellow plastic resulting in a remarkable, instant, & permanent staining with Baystate ink. If Nathan or anyone else buys one of these Lamy Safari Yellow pens, they can repeat my results. I would also be happy to send this stained pen to an independent third party where they can reproduce the staining on other sides.

 

I again hope that everyone who wants to use this ink can obtain it, and that you all benefit from my experience, and take appropriate steps. Hopefully Nathan's threat to withhold ink supplies to a retailer who may be concerned about this one ink will be withdrawn. I see today (Saturday) that Swisher Pens has a new, prominent warning box on their ink sales page as a result of this issue.

Edited February 3, 2008 by macthemaths

[PenWorks]

When I recieved my first batch of Baystate blue & Dragon's Napalm, I did a small review for my penturning buds on a different forum. I stated how much I liked the new colors, especially the Baystate blue. I was sent a email to check out this thread about the staining issue. Wow, what a good read I did not want to relay on the original posters results, so I did my own little quickie test.

 

I applied Baystate blue to several different resins, plastics and left it to dry, then went to watch the FBR Open golf tournament. (that's what everybody does in Phoenix ) When I returned I tried to rinse the ink of with water, I also tried water and wipping, and soaking in water. As you can see in the before and after phot's, there was staining on all the plastics.

 

So inconclusion, yes ink stains. Should there be a warning on the bottle, probablly so. "caution, ink will cause staining, duh"

Will I continue to use and sell Noodle's. Of course, it is my best selling ink in the store. Am I selling my supply, of course not. I am hoarding it for my personal stash, until I get some more. it is to nice a blue, not to be in production. I also want to thank the original poster, for bringing this to our attention. I was in such a hurry to try the ink when it came in, I did not bother to load a pen, but used my dip Stipula demonstors to try it. I never thought to check it for staining. (something I know to do, but as most of us, we assume)

 

Edited February 3, 2008 by PenWorks

[MacTech]

I'm glad to see this thread has returned, I recieved my bottle of BSB today, and it's a brilliantly good ink, as stated upthread, Noodler's inks have "Personality" (great way to describe noodler's inks, BTW)

 

BSB is not, as has been well documented here, Bulletproof, however, it *is* reasonably durable, it can withstand a 5 minute soak in 91% Isopropyl alcohol, as well as a 5 minute hot water rinse, yes it does lose some intensity (about 50%-ish or so) but enough ink remains to be readable

 

Nathan says that BSB washes clean with bleach, and I have no reason to doubt him, however, I was expecting alcohol to have a much more deletereous effect than it did, BSB is clearly more durable than *I* expected

 

and it's such a great, intense, cobalt blue

 

due to the controversey in this thread, I decided to "take one for the team" and try another experiment.....

 

I uncapped my bottle of BSB, and *dipped* the back of the barrel of my Preppy highlighter pen in the ink, deliberatly attempting to stain it......nothing, the stain wiped away, no residue or staining remained, i then scribbled on the cap of the Preppy with my Waterman Kultur loaded with a converter of BSB, once again, it wiped clean

 

I performed the same test on my clear Kultur, dipping the back of the barrel in the ink, then scribbling on the cap, in both cases, a *FAINT* stain remained, if the light hit it just right, and you were holding the pen at the right angle, and the planets were in alignment, the staining was not as bad as the photos of the OP's Safari, but there *was* staining, it would not come off with saliva, alcohol, or a microfiber cloth and elbow grease, I have no bleach, so I can't test that anyway

 

Ink stains, it's what it's designed to do, clearly, some plastics are more stain-prone than others, Lamy's plastic seems to be the worst culprit, but Waterman's Kulturs are not immune to it either

 

It doesn't bother me, as soon as I use up my converter of Old Manhattan in my Al-Star, I'll go and load up the converter with BSB, I think I have a new favorite ink

 

In fact, I think I'll buy another backup bottle of the stuff, just in case BSB turns out to be a limited run, wonder how much a tanker truck of the stuff would be?

 

wouldn't it be ironic if this thread actually *improved* sales of BSB?

 

.....and even though it stains Waterman plastics, I'm seriously tempted to turn my clear Kultur fine point into a BSB Eyedropper pen, staining be dammned......

 

off to Peartree, time for another bottle, and I haven't even scratched the capacity of the first, I really love this blue

 

Nathan, keep up the good work, this Mainer thanks you

Edited February 3, 2008 by MacTech

[Viseguy]

I've got it!

 

Noodler's should make an ink called "Averto!" -- that's Esperanto for warning -- thereby avoiding the need for any further disclaimers on the bottle. The name itself would serve as a generalized caution to all potential consumers: Use at your own risk! The color, pH, and other characteristics would be entirely up to Nathan. In fact, they might vary randomly from bottle to bottle. You pays yer money and you takes yer chances. How about it, Nathan?

 

 

[Jimmy James]

wouldn't it be ironic if this thread actually *improved* sales of BSB?

 

I have a feeling it has done that, at least in the short term. I think there was a pretty noticeable run on it the day the thread started, and I imagine I'm hardly the only one who has put in an order since then.

 

I also have to say I think the yellow Lamy pen probably hasn't been ruined at all. My guess is that it would go for a premium over a normal Yellow Lamy if it were offered up on the Marketplace. It's a little bit of fountain pen history if you think about it.

Edited February 3, 2008 by Jimmy James

[MacTech]

I've got it!

 

Noodler's should make an ink called "Averto!" -- that's Esperanto for warning -- thereby avoiding the need for any further disclaimers on the bottle. The name itself would serve as a generalized caution to all potential consumers: Use at your own risk! The color, pH, and other characteristics would be entirely up to Nathan. In fact, they might vary randomly from bottle to bottle. You pays yer money and you takes yer chances. How about it, Nathan?

I like it, Nathan, how about making a "Mystery Ink" for the truly adventurous, the actual ink could change from batch-to-batch, one batch might be alkaline, the next acidic, neutral, bulletproof, semi-bulletproof, conventional ink, your choice, each batch would be issued once and that exact formula might never be seen again, you could have a label with the batch number on it and a big question mark

 

"Noodler's Mystery Ink, batch ##, who knows what's inside? it's a mystery"

 

[captnemo]

I've got it!

 

Noodler's should make an ink called "Averto!" -- that's Esperanto for warning -- thereby avoiding the need for any further disclaimers on the bottle. The name itself would serve as a generalized caution to all potential consumers: Use at your own risk! The color, pH, and other characteristics would be entirely up to Nathan. In fact, they might vary randomly from bottle to bottle. You pays yer money and you takes yer chances. How about it, Nathan?

I like it, Nathan, how about making a "Mystery Ink" for the truly adventurous, the actual ink could change from batch-to-batch, one batch might be alkaline, the next acidic, neutral, bulletproof, semi-bulletproof, conventional ink, your choice, each batch would be issued once and that exact formula might never be seen again, you could have a label with the batch number on it and a big question mark

 

"Noodler's Mystery Ink, batch ##, who knows what's inside? it's a mystery"

 

 

That's a great idea. Now there's a use for all the failed experiments that go down the drain. :ltcapd:

[BirdValiant]

wouldn't it be ironic if this thread actually *improved* sales of BSB?

 

I have a feeling it has done that, at least in the short term. I think there was a pretty noticeable run on it the day the thread started, and I imagine I'm hardly the only one who has put in an order since then.

 

I also have to say I think the yellow Lamy pen probably hasn't been ruined at all. My guess is that it would go for a premium over a normal Yellow Lamy if it were offered up on the Marketplace. It's a little bit of fountain pen history if you think about it.

 

Heh, I actually feel like buying it now too!

 

 

By the way, I like how Noodler's site has been redesigned. It's certainly much less cluttered. Now if only there could be a bit of info on each ink (put into categories), including swatch, photo, potential uses, maybe a little history...

[RitaCarbon]

I've got it!

 

Noodler's should make an ink called "Averto!" -- that's Esperanto for warning -- thereby avoiding the need for any further disclaimers on the bottle. The name itself would serve as a generalized caution to all potential consumers: Use at your own risk! The color, pH, and other characteristics would be entirely up to Nathan. In fact, they might vary randomly from bottle to bottle. You pays yer money and you takes yer chances. How about it, Nathan?

 

Hey, leave Nathan alone. I love this ink!!! It should be labeled: "Approved by FPN for bullet-proof writing on yellow plastic and fake marble"

[Shabubu]

Any suggestions for a label adjustment beyond listing it as... a vintage replica ink and unlike every other Noodler's ink...even with a divergent pH - as has already been stated upon the label? I thought my posting notified people this was a vintage ink in modern form...but really, truly...a genuine vintage style ink. Perhaps the label needs more? Something that is brief and will not take up more than a line....certainly not a three page insert label... We still have yet to replicate any staining here - and several retailers have also failed to replicate any staining - it has been noted that drying it on certain plastics made the use of common water more effective in its removal....but still no unremovable stains.

 

May I suggest changing

 

"a vintage replica ink and unlike every other Noodler's ink...even with a divergent pH"

 

to

 

"A mildly alkaline vintage replica ink unlike any other by Noodler's. WARNING: Will stain light plastics. Do not mix with other inks"