Which One Would You Put Money On??

[Bryan]

Hello All,

 

Thanks for the nice comments about my little experiment, both here on the thread and by PM.

 

I was very happy to see that Noodler's Legal Lapis, Walnut, and Aircorp Blue-Black did so well. I stand corrected on one of my previous posts on another thread where I stated Aircorp was not water resistant! Hey, and the Red-black didn't do too badly either! I found it interesting to see that Red-Black, Aircorp, and Walnut seem to loose all but an underlying Black in this water test. Nathan must use Eternal Black to darken these colors up.

 

A big surprise was the Private reserve colors, Copper Burst, Orange Crush, Gray Flannel and Black Cherry. I thought for sure these colors would have disappeared from the page. Though they did not hold up anywhere near as good as Legal Lapis, they are still legible. Call me pessimistic, but I wonder if they would have done so well if I had not applied the ink on the paper so generously?? (Do I foresee yet another water submersion test???)

 

I knew that the Platinum Carbon ink would do well. I just hate this ink, very poor flow and unlike Nathan's Eternal Ink, when this ink dries it is very hard to wash off, no matter what the surface is.

 

Oh, and what about the Visconti Black, when left in water over night is magically becomes Visconti Brown!

 

I was most disappointed with PR American Blue, PR Sherwood Green, and Noodler's Cheyenne. These are great, rich colors, that I journal with regularly, too bad they just disappear off the page with this water test. Maybe I should darken them all up with a little Noodler's Eternal Black? Then again, I do like these colors just the way they are, I just can't get them wet!!

 

I've thought about only journaling with "Bullet Proof" inks, the number of these types of inks seems to be growing. However, there are too many inks with great vibrant colors that I can not pass up on using. My solution, to set my mind at ease, has been to scan in my journal pages in color. I back up my hard drive regularly and this gives me the piece of mind of knowing should something unfortunate happen to my journal (water, fire, etc.) I know that all won't be lost.

 

Well, that was fun. Some bad news from the test, but lots of good news also!

 

-Bryan

[Bryan]

This is pretty impressive for Noodlers Aircorp. I'm getting convinced to want to try it as my second (to Noodlers Black) ink for legal type documents.

This really has turned into one of my favorite inks, great color!

 

Bryan

[grasshopper]

Great stuff, Bryan.

 

Call me pessimistic, but I wonder if they would have done so well if I had not applied the ink on the paper so generously??  (Do I foresee yet another water submersion test???)

I, for one, would be waiting anxiously for this second test. . I'm a Fine/Extra-Fine nib user myself so would be curious if this ink test would produce different results with finer nibs.

 

Glad to see that Nooodler's Walnut has done well (it is already one of my top 2 browns, along with Lie de The). I think that Noodler's Red-Black has just become a new entry at No.1 on my current ink wish list. (must check if there's already a review here)

 

 

G.

[Dillo]

Hi,

 

If you mix Noodlers black with other colors, you will not get any water-resistance.

By the way, great test.

 

Dillon

[tntaylor]

...I wonder if they would have done so well if I had not applied the ink on the paper so generously?? (Do I foresee yet another water submersion test???)...

It would definitely be interesting to see how the inks stand up under the same conditions, but through a fine nib.

 

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[Velma]

Great test, and thank you for the side by side images. Those are really cool.

[inkyfingers]

Badass!

[Viseguy]

If you mix Noodlers black with other colors, you will not get any water-resistance.

I know Nathan has said that mixing takes away the waterproofness of his eternal inks, but this is not my experience. I've done several eternal-regular mixes, and the result, invariably, is that the eternal component remains waterproof after mixing. That is, if you dunk a writing sample in water, the regular ink washes away but the eternal ink stays put. Inks like Zhivago, Blue-Black and Red-Black illustrate this.

[Ann Finley]

Yes, my experience also bears out that when mixing Noodler's waterproof with the other inks and soaking, the waterproof remains waterproof and the other color washes away. There is a test shown on Swisher's site of Aquamarine and yellow which attests to this, too.

 

Best, Ann

 

edited for spelling error

Edited September 1, 2005 by Ann Finley

[Johnny Appleseed]

I believe that Nathan has said, elswhere on this site, that when Noodler's Black is mixed with other colors he cannot guarantee the permanence of it in the long term. In other words, it might not remain totally resistant to all removal attempts for years down the road, as he feels the black is.

 

For pure water-proofing, the eternal inks seem to all keep their water-proof character when mixed.

 

J. Appleseed

[Roger]

I wonder if Nathan considers his inks with "eternal" on the label, the same as those with "contract"?

[nmb]

Of course he doesn't consider them the same, they have different labels.

[Roger]

For all practical purposes, they are the same.

 

What Nathan has said since my post to which you refer, indicates that they are virtually the same. The indications were in that direction, and Nathan confirmed it. It's on FPN so you can research it.

Edited November 12, 2005 by Roger

[Goodwhiskers]

I knew that the Platinum Carbon ink would do well.  I just hate this ink, very poor flow and unlike Nathan's Eternal Ink, when this ink dries it is very hard to wash off, no matter what the surface is.

Platinum now offers a "Carbon Ink Pen" pen, with freer flow, just for Platinum Carbon ink. See

 

http://www.platinumpenstore.com/index.asp?...PROD&ProdID=436

 

The price is under $100 USD.

 

I guess Platinum got tired of the complaints caused by using this ink in pens that were designed for dye-colored, not soot-colored, inks (and that would be almost all fountain pens!).

 

Has anyone tried this pen with this ink?

 

A quick answer to this question would have to be a short message here pointing to a new topic in Writing Instruments, while a review would have to be a short message here pointing to two new topics, one in Fountain Pen Reviews and the other in Ink Reviews.

[eric.zamir]

I've been watching the water test business on all the boards for years now, and I can't believe the amount of time and effort that gets washed away on this issue.

 

Who honestly makes a habit out of soaking their handwritten papers?

In 30+ years of using a fountain pen, I have rarely, if ever, soaked a sheet of paper.

When I send a letter I use clear tape or wax on the address.

 

Waterproof inks are not known for their flow characteristics, and are not particularly safe to leave in your pen. I'd prefer a coffee cup ring on something I wrote, or a couple of rain drops, to a ruined pen, or one that isn't fun to write with because of some dry-flowing, boring colored ink that happens to be waterproof.

 

I mean, there is a place in the world for magic markers...

[Titivillus]

Waterproof inks are not known for their flow characteristics, and are not particularly safe to leave in your pen.

All of the inks that are water resistant that I have used have excellent flow characteristics and we could debate how safe they or other inks are to leave in a pen.

 

I'd prefer a coffee cup ring on something I wrote, or a couple of rain drops, to a ruined pen, or one that isn't fun to write with because of some dry-flowing, boring colored ink that happens to be waterproof.

 

Here in Louisiana I have had entire letters ruined because of a 'couple of rain drops' that soaked through the letter. Something that waxing the address or putting a piece of tape on the envelope would not have helped.

 

Have you tried any of the Noodler's ink that you find dry-flowing or boring? I find them neither of the two.

 

But it is nice that people can have different opinions about theses things.

 

Kurt H

Edited April 2, 2006 by Tytyvyllus

[krz]

Thanks! It looks like Aircorp makes it to my shopping list, I already use the Walnut allot

I'd be interested to see how Noodler's Blue-Black, Zhivago and Sequoia would do as well. Anyone have these they could try? :blink:

 

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As for the need for waterproof inks. Florida gets pretty darn soggy when it wants to and I hate to take the time to write nicely (well as nice as I can anyway) and have it blurred from rain. Tape looks tacky to me on a nice hand written letter.

 

But my biggest reason is I like to draw with fountain pens and then put color in with a watercolor wash without smearing it.

 

Noodler's Black, Swishmix Tahitian Pearl, Swishmix Seminole Sepia, Legal Lapis all work very well, and I don't find any of them boring, and they all flow nicely. With Noodler's Walnut, the red component will smear but you can use it if you're real careful.

 

All the best,

Edited April 2, 2006 by krz

[Ink Stained Wretch]

I've been watching the water test business on all the boards for years now, and I can't believe the amount of time and effort that gets washed away on this issue.

So you've never had anything you've written and wanted to keep get all messed up because it got wet or completely wiped away because it got very wet?

 

You've never left a journal open near a window and had a sudden strong storm hit? Or never forgotten that you've left something you've written where it could get wet and then had the writing get washed away?

 

Who honestly makes a habit out of soaking their handwritten papers?

Well, nature and circumstance have managed to soak some of mine, and it was not a terribly pleasant experience.

 

In 30+ years of using a fountain pen, I have rarely, if ever, soaked a sheet of paper.

When I send a letter I use clear tape or wax on the address.

You are, of course, free to put your faith in tape and wax. I prefer to make sure that the ink is seriously bonded to the paper. Also, the inks that are so waterproof are also extremely resistant to fading. I just like knowing that I'm doing the best that I can to preserve what I've written. I've been writing long enough to have examples of things fading from simple age, even if they've never gotten soaked or been exposed to sunlight.

 

Waterproof inks are not known for their flow characteristics, and are not particularly safe to leave in your pen. I'd prefer a coffee cup ring on something I wrote, or a couple of rain drops, to a ruined pen, or one that isn't fun to write with because of some dry-flowing, boring colored ink that happens to be waterproof.

Well, no one said anything about coffee ring prevention. As for the flow characteristics of the Noodler's inks that we're talking about, they flow fine in the pens that I use. I haven't had a fountain pen ruined by them yet. The number of colors in the Noodler's line is large and growing. So you're really not describing those inks.

 

I mean, there is a place in the world for magic markers...

Yes, but I think it's against the rules of the board to name that place.

[chad234]

I conducted a similar test a while back for my own edification. The Noodler's inks were outstanding compared to all others.

 

Waterfastness is a real issue for me. At the time I conducted these tests, I was a police officer, and took notes in all sorts of conditions. Even now as an attorney I have had important documents get damp in the sometimes harsh Michigan weather. Moreover, I love the outdoors, and writing in my journal while on a day hike or canoe is perfectly normal, often with some danger of getting things wet.

 

Nathan's inks flow fine in every pen I have used them in. I wish the colors were as vibrant as PR, or the ink as "slick" an I am sure one day both will happen.

 

Eric: If you wood like to try some Noodler's I would be happy to send you some small vials. I think you will be suprised, after all the proof is in the pudding, or writing as the case may be.

 

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[chad234]

I conducted a similar test a while back for my own edification. The Noodler's inks were outstanding compared to all others.

 

Waterfastness is a real issue for me. At the time I conducted these tests, I was a police officer, and took notes in all sorts of conditions. Even now as an attorney I have had important documents get damp in the sometimes harsh Michigan weather. Moreover, I love the outdoors, and writing in my journal while on a day hike or canoe is perfectly normal, often with some danger of getting things wet.

 

Nathan's inks flow fine in every pen I have used them in. I wish the colors were as vibrant as PR, or the ink as "slick" an I am sure one day both will happen.

 

Eric: If you wood like to try some Noodler's I would be happy to send you some small vials. I think you will be suprised, after all the proof is in the pudding, or writing as the case may be.

 

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8594/ink0019ew.jpg

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/2389/ink0026np.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2900/ink0035uf.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1128/ink0049gs.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/817/ink0056iw.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1343/ink0068lj.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5520/ink0074lo.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5965/ink0089lp.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3719/ink0095ds.jpg