NOODLER’S Heart of Darkness on smooth paper?

[Fountain_pen]

Looking to get this ink after I finish my current bottle of Perle noire. Would be planning on using it with smooth paper like Rhodia and Optik.

Whats everyone’s experience with Heart of Darkness on smooth paper?

Pen would be an Asvine V126 EF nib.

[effrafax]

It will work well.  I have THoD in a V126 and it writes perfectly.

 

[Fountain_pen]

1 hour ago, effrafax said:

It will work well.  I have THoD in a V126 and it writes perfectly.

 

What kind of a paper do you use that combination with?

[effrafax]

Anything from copy paper to journals using various papers (Clairefontaine, TR, Midori etc.).

[TSherbs]

HOD is my black ink of choice when I want permanency. Are you looking for permanency? I like HOD a good bit more than Noodler's standard black (also permanent).

 

HOD has worked well on every paper I have used (American, French, or Japanese). 

 

What is your motivation for switching from the Perle Noire (also an ink that I like a lot)?

 

 

[Fountain_pen]

49 minutes ago, TSherbs said:

HOD is my black ink of choice when I want permanency. Are you looking for permanency? I like HOD a good bit more than Noodler's standard black (also permanent).

 

HOD has worked well on every paper I have used (American, French, or Japanese). 

 

What is your motivation for switching from the Perle Noire (also an ink that I like a lot)?

 

 

Don’t really mind permanency or not. Hope it’s not too hard to clean out of a pen. As for motivation for switching, I’m just looking for the absolute best black ink I can find. Perle noire is great but there’s so many on my list that I’ve seen people rave about.

[TSherbs]

4 hours ago, Fountain_pen said:

Don’t really mind permanency or not. Hope it’s not too hard to clean out of a pen. As for motivation for switching, I’m just looking for the absolute best black ink I can find. Perle noire is great but there’s so many on my list that I’ve seen people rave about.

I hear ya.

 

Are you not interested in ordering samples and seeing for yourself? That is what I did because I also like blacks, and they are indeed all slightly (if not more than slightly) different. 

[Fountain_pen]

1 hour ago, TSherbs said:

I hear ya.

 

Are you not interested in ordering samples and seeing for yourself? That is what I did because I also like blacks, and they are indeed all slightly (if not more than slightly) different. 

Samples would probably be the sensible thing, but some inks are difficult to get outright like Aurora black or Heart of Darkness. I’m not going to have loads of ink bottles lying around though so I plan to only buy when I finish a bottle. Right now I have Perle Noire and Pelikan 4001 Brilliant black.
Not a fan of wasting ink either so I use all of it rather than pouring it out of my pen.

[yazeh]

If memory serves me right, dry times are long on normal smooth paper. 

If you can a buy a bunch of black ink samples, you're better off. 

[Mercian]

20 hours ago, Fountain_pen said:

Whats everyone’s experience with Heart of Darkness on smooth paper?

 

I haven't ever used HoD, but on smooth paper (e.g. the ivory-coloured Clairefontaine paper in Rhodia Webnotebooks) I have found that Noodler's Black can be smeary.
The ink in direct contact with the paper binds to it, but there's still some ink that stays/rests on top of the bonded-layer, and that 'surface ink' remains smeary for a good while - and, if one licks a finger and passes it over one's writing, the period for which the ink remains 'smearable' is many years. I imagine that HoD would do the same thing.
Hopefully, members who have used HoD can chime in to let you know whether it does, or does not.

 

To be fair to Noodler's, I have found the same thing to be true with Sailor Kiwa Guro (and Pelikan Edelstein Onyx, 4001 Brilliant Black, Lamy Black, and various 'black' inks of lesser 'permanence').

And Noodler's Black is still the 'blackest'-looking black ink that I have ever used.

 

On more-absorbent papers both the Noddler's Black and Sailor Kiwa-Guro seep in to the 'matrix' of the paper, and stay there, but smooth papers with a hard surface can be 'reluctant' to allow ink to fully 'integrate into' them.

[Fountain_pen]

19 minutes ago, yazeh said:

If memory serves me right, dry times are long on normal smooth paper. 

If you can a buy a bunch of black ink samples, you're better off. 

Hard to get samples here in the UK. Hard to even find HoD. Buying samples does sound like the sensible thing to do but something about a full ink bottle appeals to me. 

[Fountain_pen]

15 minutes ago, Mercian said:

 

I haven't ever used HoD, but on smooth paper (e.g. the ivory-coloured Clairefontaine paper in Rhodia Webnotebooks) I have found that Noodler's Black can be smeary.
The ink in direct contact with the paper binds to it, but there's still some ink that stays/rests on top of the bonded-layer, and that 'surface ink' remains smeary for a good while - and, if one licks a finger and passes it over one's writing, the period for which the ink remains 'smearable' is many years. I imagine that HoD would do the same thing.
Hopefully, members who have used HoD can chime in to let you know whether it does, or does not.

 

To be fair to Noodler's, I have found the same thing to be true with Sailor Kiwa Guro (and Pelikan Edelstein Onyx, 4001 Brilliant Black, Lamy Black, and various 'black' inks of lesser 'permanence').

And Noodler's Black is still the 'blackest'-looking black ink that I have ever used.

 

On more-absorbent papers both the Noddler's Black and Sailor Kiwa-Guro seep in to the 'matrix' of the paper, and stay there, but smooth papers with a hard surface can be 'reluctant' to allow ink to fully 'integrate into' them.

I’ve read that it’s more of a problem with Noodler’s Black than it is with HoD. I think InkStainedRuth mentioned it in a post years ago.

[Mercian]

5 minutes ago, Fountain_pen said:

I’ve read that it’s more of a problem with Noodler’s Black than it is with HoD. I think InkStainedRuth mentioned it in a post years ago.

 

Ooh, in that case, HoD sounds like it might be a 'better' ink than the normal Noodler's 'Black'

[inkstainedruth]

4 hours ago, yazeh said:

If memory serves me right, dry times are long on normal smooth paper. 

Funny, but one of the things I really like about HoD is that it dries faster than the regular Noodler's Black.

It's not as "black" as Noodler's Old Manhattan (which I believe is exclusive to Fountain Pen Hospital in NYC) -- but that's partly because Old Manhattan tends to spread more (so some of the "blackness" on the page is something of an optical illusion.

Ruth Morrisson aka

[Fountain_pen]

18 minutes ago, inkstainedruth said:

Funny, but one of the things I really like about HoD is that it dries faster than the regular Noodler's Black.

It's not as "black" as Noodler's Old Manhattan (which I believe is exclusive to Fountain Pen Hospital in NYC) -- but that's partly because Old Manhattan tends to spread more (so some of the "blackness" on the page is something of an optical illusion.

Ruth Morrisson aka

Interesting, anyone got any ideas on how to get Old Manhattan in the UK? Getting HoD is hard enough as is.

[inkstainedruth]

Sorry, no clue.  You'd have to go onto the FPH website and contact them and see if they ship overseas. 

I did check their website just now, and they DO have Old Manhattan in stock at the moment.  https://fountainpenhospital.com/products/noodlers-noodlers-ink-manhattan-black-exclusive-ink-3oz-ink?_pos=1&_psq=Old+Manh&_ss=e&_v=1.0

I didn't remember what the dry time for Old Manhattan was so dug out my notes from the various inks I've tried.  Mind you, the tests were down on really crummy paper (the top spiral bound sketchbooks that are/were sold in the bargain book section at Barnes & Noble).  But when I turned to that page, I'd noted at the time that Old Manhattan dried in roughly 15 seconds on that poor quality absorbent paper.

Hope this helps.  

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[Fountain_pen]

4 hours ago, inkstainedruth said:

Sorry, no clue.  You'd have to go onto the FPH website and contact them and see if they ship overseas. 

I did check their website just now, and they DO have Old Manhattan in stock at the moment.  https://fountainpenhospital.com/products/noodlers-noodlers-ink-manhattan-black-exclusive-ink-3oz-ink?_pos=1&_psq=Old+Manh&_ss=e&_v=1.0

I didn't remember what the dry time for Old Manhattan was so dug out my notes from the various inks I've tried.  Mind you, the tests were down on really crummy paper (the top spiral bound sketchbooks that are/were sold in the bargain book section at Barnes & Noble).  But when I turned to that page, I'd noted at the time that Old Manhattan dried in roughly 15 seconds on that poor quality absorbent paper.

Hope this helps.  

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

Oof that’s a while, doesn’t seem worth it over HoD.

[TSherbs]

Are you doing internet searches for comparisons?

 

Here is one quick result: HOD on smooth paper comparison

[Fountain_pen]

1 hour ago, TSherbs said:

Are you doing internet searches for comparisons?

 

Here is one quick result: HOD on smooth paper comparison

Interesting, everyone’s experience seems to differ.

[TSherbs]

6 hours ago, Fountain_pen said:

Interesting, everyone’s experience seems to differ.

 

Yup. I have never heard of dry times as long as this for HOD, nor does it match my experiences. But, there ya go. YRMV.