Scheaffer Gold Barley pattern from 1970s - model?

[iddqd]

Hi!

Wondering what the proper model name of this pen might be? Manual indicates it's from 1977/1978

[Paul-in-SF]

Might be an Imperial IV. There's a gold-body pen I have with a different pattern (groups of 8 fine lines with an engraving cartouche on the barrel). Aside from the pattern in the metal, it looks quite a bit like yours -- maybe yours looks a little thicker, it's hard to tell. Mine is 137.5 mm long. The nib on mine says Sheaffer Lifetime, which your nib doesn't seem to say. So it might be in the same family but a slightly different model. 

 

What kind of filler is it? I have Imperials both with cartridge/converter and with Touchdown fillers. 

[Mercian]

Hi @iddqd,

if you have a look on...
https://www.sheaffertarga.com/Imperial and Triumph/Imp Triumph Ref List.html

 

...and scroll down the page to find ref 827, you will find a link to the page for...

https://www.sheaffertarga.com/Imperial and Triumph/827 gold plated barleycorn pattern.html

 

Model 827- Sheaffer Imperial Gold Plated Barleycorn cartridge pen.

 

The one pictured on that page has a slightly different version of the inlaid nib to the one on your pen, but the style in which those were made varied down the years...

https://www.sheaffertarga.com/Inlaid Nib Write Up/Inlaid nib write up.html

 

...and your pen appears have the 1970s-style nib that one would expect, rather than the 1980s-style 'arrowhead' nib.

 

Your pen also appears to be a cartridge pen, rather than one of the earlier 'Masterpiece' pens, which were 'touchdown' fillers, and appear to have been solid gold (9k or 18k).

 

Slàinte,
M.

[iddqd]

Thanks for fantastic info!

 

I'm entirely new to scheaffer. What kind of converter might I use in this pen?

[bsenn]

Sheaffers use cartridges and converters specifically for Sheaffer pens. There are squeeze converts, button converters, and piston converters. I believe all three fit your pen, but new piston converters are readily available from a variety of vendors.

 

Brian

[Mercian]

3 hours ago, bsenn said:

Sheaffers use cartridges and converters specifically for Sheaffer pens. There are squeeze converts, button converters, and piston converters. I believe all three fit your pen, but new piston converters are readily available from a variety of vendors.

 

I agree with this ↑ post - I think that @iddqd's pen will be able to accept all Sheaffer converters, but: you will need to check a specific feature of the grip-section of your pen in order to determine to see whether or not the modern Sheaffer piston converters will fit in to it.

 

I recently acquired my first Sheaffer, and started a thread to ask about that (amongst other things).
Below is a link to my post that shows the converters that will fit in to my 1980s 'Triumph 444'.
It has photos of the squeeze converter, and the modern piston converter.
It includes a link to a discussion about how to tell if your pen will be able to take the modern piston converter.

 

 

I have been impressed by the firm, secure fit of these converters in to my pen.

 

Slàinte,
M.

[Ron Z]

In general, pens with a metal overlay use the sections with metal threads.  This allowed the converter to sit lower on the section, down inside the threads, instead of at the end of them.  No firm proof of this, but I think that they did that so that the barrel liner could be shorter inside with the metal overlay maintaining the same overall length as the plastic pens. 

 

The two types are shown below.  The edges of the section are lined up.  The converter sits about 1/4" forward in the metal thread nib unit vs the plastic thread version.   The collectors in the two are different, and the nibs/shell are not interchangeable between these two.  The plastic thread bushings between C/C versions and Touchdown versions can be swapped out including desk pen (not pressure tabs)  or pocket pen (with the tabs) nibs.