Barock Umbra

[yazeh]

1 hour ago, Beechwood said:

I am sure that it is just my and what I have held to be true but Umbra paint just wasn't this color, not that it isn't attractive but I always understood to be a definite shade of brown as opposed to grey, this ink is nearer to RAL 7022, Umbra Grey.

Thanks for the info. It is my understanding, especially with pigments and colour that more or less everything is approximative, depending how you mix it and where you pigment was sourced and whose seeing it  With inks it's worse. Everything is more or less an interpretation of a colour a gemstone. And then there it is us. I recently did an interactive test, and realized that someone else's green was my blue. You can check it here: 

https://ismy.blue

1 hour ago, Beechwood said:

Nice review.

Thanks!

[Beechwood]

26 minutes ago, yazeh said:

Thanks for the info. It is my understanding, especially with pigments and colour that more or less everything is approximative, depending how you mix it and where you pigment was sourced and whose seeing it  With inks it's worse. Everything is more or less an interpretation of a colour a gemstone. And then there it is us. I recently did an interactive test, and realized that someone else's green was my blue. You can check it here: 

https://ismy.blue

Thanks!

 

 

You have hit the nail on the head.

 

There are so many factors to this aspect of the interpretation of colour and even the words that we use that describe that colour.

 

For example, I have dark eyes, my partner has pale blue eyes and we struggle to describe colours that are just on the turn between two colours, for example blue to green and dark red to brown. 

 

I was preparing some documents at work and had highlighted (highlit?) some aspects in green or orange and made reference to the highlighted areas, to be met with 'All colours look like shades of grey to me, no idea what you mean'. 

 

What a dull world that must be and terrible if you are a snooker player.

[yazeh]

2 hours ago, Beechwood said:

You have hit the nail on the head.

 

2 hours ago, Beechwood said:

 

There are so many factors to this aspect of the interpretation of colour and even the words that we use that describe that colour.

For example, I have dark eyes, my partner has pale blue eyes and we struggle to describe colours that are just on the turn between two colours, for example blue to green and dark red to brown. 

When I first met my wife, I told her I was wearing a blue scarf. To her eyes, it was green. Now we both understand how we see colour differently  

2 hours ago, Beechwood said:

 

I was preparing some documents at work and had highlighted (highlit?) some aspects in green or orange and made reference to the highlighted areas, to be met with 'All colours look like shades of grey to me, no idea what you mean'. 

What a dull world that must be and terrible if you are a snooker player.

It could be. My wife taught art, and she had a colour-blind student. Apparently his paintings were very creative and remarkable.  

[LizEF]

4 hours ago, yazeh said:

https://ismy.blue

 

We should all do this! Though I was getting annoyed.  I would have said turquoise for practically all the colors I was shown - only the first 2-4 were really blue or green...

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Your boundary is at hue 175, bluer than 59% of the population. For you, turquoise is green.

 

I took it a second time, knowing what they were doing, and looking a little longer at colors.  The sequence of colors was different the second time, and I got this result:

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Your boundary is at hue 175, bluer than 66% of the population. For you, turquoise is green.

I guess boatloads of green-seeing people have taken the test between my two for the percentage to shift from 59 to 66 while the "boundary hue" remained unchanged...

[Sailor Kenshin]

I figgered out what happened, but toooo late.   😢

[yazeh]

30 minutes ago, Sailor Kenshin said:

I figgered out what happened, but toooo late.   😢

Figured what? 

 

@LizEF for me it's the contrary: 

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Your boundary is at hue 166, greener than 90% of the population. For you, turquoise  is blue.

 

[WalterC]

I have tried the ismy.blue several times and usually get: Your boundary is at hue 188, bluer than 98% of the population. For you, turquoise  is green.

Very blue is my favorite ink color, Diamine Blue Velvet, Diamine Sapphire Blue (cheaper than blue velvet), and for vintage pens, Waterman Serenity Blue. Maybe I should finally try Noodler's Baystate Blue, except I dislike inks that behave badly or stain.

[Beechwood]

Never seen that test before, thanks for posting

 

Not sure what to make of the result "Your boundary is at hue 188, bluer than 98% of the population. For you, turquoise  is green." Yes I do think that turquoise is a shade of green,

 

There is reference in that test to the word saturation, the word also appears in Ink test sheets and I am not sure that many take that on board, what is a saturated color and is an unsaturated color a possibility. Could you have a saturated pale blue or pale yellow, can you have an unsaturated dark brown.

 

I may be thinking about this a little too much but over the past 17 years I have read the commendable ink reviews with a question on the saturation comment.

 

 

 

[Bo Bo Olson]

I passed a color test in the ancient AF, and because I'd be working with colored wires, I had to pass.

......................

There was an old AF story, of an electrician wiring up a H-Bomb and had to ask which and where the third wire went...he was color blind, and on A-bombs were just two wires so he had a pretty sure idea which went where.

Pretty sure in this case, is really juggling grenades.

[knarflj]

1 hour ago, LizEF said:

I guess boatloads of green-seeing people have taken the test between my two for the percentage to shift from 59 to 66 while the "boundary hue" remained unchanged...

 

I just did this, and got, "Your boundary is at hue 177, bluer that 75% of the population...  

 

We're only off by two hues and a 9% difference?  (I thought of most of those colours as turquoise, too.)  Fun and interesting to see, anyway.  

 

We keep our tax records in a folder which for years I called green and my husband called blue, to both our confusions.  We've finally settled on calling it teal.

[LizEF]

41 minutes ago, yazeh said:

@LizEF for me it's the contrary: 

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Your boundary is at hue 166, greener than 90% of the population. For you, turquoise  is blue.

 

I'm thinking I need to do the test on the other monitor....  Not much change, 175 to 174, and yet now I see turquoise as blue instead of green...:

 

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Your boundary is at hue 174, greener than 55% of the population. For you, turquoise is blue.

 

I will note that the wording is confusing.  In the first response, it was basically saying that I see green sooner than most people see green (what I see as green, most people would see as blue).  In this one, it takes me longer to see green.  That's consistent - things look more blue on my laptop screen than on the external monitor.

 

I have to assume that they're rounding some fractional number for the sake of reporting.  It's also possible that "the population" is actually those who have used the site (presumably a pretty small number compared to the "population").

[LizEF]

25 minutes ago, knarflj said:

We keep our tax records in a folder which for years I called green and my husband called blue, to both our confusions.  We've finally settled on calling it teal.

[Sailor Kenshin]

@yazeh, I posted mymreply on the other forum but somehow did not see THIS review.  The chroma… swooooon.  😸

[inkstainedruth]

7 hours ago, Beechwood said:

I was preparing some documents at work and had highlighted (highlit?) some aspects in green or orange and made reference to the highlighted areas, to be met with 'All colours look like shades of grey to me, no idea what you mean'. 

There was a guy in one of my sculpture classes in college who was a photography major, and he was apparently red-green colorblind.  People were teasing him one time about "What color is that file cabinet in the corner of the studio?"  And he said, "I KNOW that it's 'green' -- but it looks 'grey' to me...."

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[inkstainedruth]

8 hours ago, yazeh said:

I'll see if I can digout my El Lawrence swatch and do a comparison

Thanks!  that would be really helpful.  

I rather like El Lawrence -- at least my bottle of it; and my old bank never batted an eye about me using it to sign checks (even though I was technically ONLY supposed to be using "blue" or "black" ink; of course they ALSO didn't bat an eye at me using Noodler's Kung Te Cheng on checks, either... ).

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[yazeh]

2 hours ago, Sailor Kenshin said:

@yazeh, I posted mymreply on the other forum but somehow did not see THIS review.  The chroma… swooooon.  😸

Got it! 🙏

[yazeh]

I should post, this link, every time, I do a turquoise ink review. Then people will know that if they are seeing blue/green. Maybe it'll help with some couples' live when they realize what they see is relative  

 

@inkstainedruth here you go:

 

 

 

[Sailor Kenshin]

Thanks!  The only one I don't have is the Umbra…and I seeeee…..green and brown.

[yazeh]

9 minutes ago, Sailor Kenshin said:

Thanks!  The only one I don't have is the Umbra…and I seeeee…..green and brown.

A pleasure!

[LizEF]

Sooo much murk...