Pen Id help - Pelikan Japanese Eyedropper?

September 26

Hi, would like y'all to help ID a pen for me.

I believe it's a vintage pen. I'm not sure if the pen is Pelikan pen, but it comes with a pelikan nib, i believe steel nib.

It's a japanese eyedropper style pen.

It's a Japanese Eyedropper.

The clip has R14K marked, same on the cap band, with a 4 x diamond / rombus logo which i'm umfamiliar with.

Left is the pen's nib, right is a Pelikan M200's nib. As shown here the nib is smaller than M200's nib. It appears to be a steel nib (it is extremely smooth, and quite stiff). Has 2 chick on the pelikan's logo.

I only know Pelikan's M300's nib is smaller than the M200, but M300 is a gold nib.

The feed looks like ebonite but I'm not sure.

the Cap finial is just a shiny cone with no logo. The barrel's finial was already missing.

Searching for the word "Pelikan japanese eyedropper" landed me on a Pelikan's Perch's artical: https://thepelikansperch.com/2024/04/14/pelikan-keyhole-nib/

The pen in the article does looks similar to my pen, except that mine is not the pelikan gold nib.

I wonder if any one got any extra info on this pen. Also, if i can remove the nib and feed for cleaning.

September 26

5 hours ago, AceNinja said:

4 x diamond / rombus logo

It is the Yotsubishi logo, a brand of Ishishoten, a pen parts sales company that once existed in Japan.

*(Pens with fountain pen nibs from outside Japan attached to Japanese dropper fountain pens are sometimes seen on auction sites.)

For more information about Ishishoten, the material is shown in the linked Japanese blog post.

You can find more information by clicking on the green arrow (<) to the far left in the article and following the previous blog post.

Blog post, 萬年筆グラフ (Fountain Pen Graph).

https://ameblo.jp/kamisama-samasama/entry-11923449198.html

*According to the information in the article in the link you found, the nib may be made in Japan.

5 hours ago, AceNinja said:

Searching for the word "Pelikan japanese eyedropper" landed me on a Pelikan's Perch's artical: https://thepelikansperch.com/2024/04/14/pelikan-keyhole-nib/

The Pelican nib is stamped with the JIS mark〄 and JIS number.

😁

If you have the same on your pen, you can use that information to identify the Japanese nib manufacturer. I think it is possible to remove the nib and other parts but I do not know how to do it.

P.S.

You can match the JIS number on the nib with information on the richardspens.com.

http://www.richardspens.com/ref/tools/jis_numbers.htm

P.P.S.

I do not know the relationship between this pen and Pelikan, but both Yotsubishi and Kabutogi are well-known makers and brands at that time.

Edited September 26 by Number99
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September 27

Thanks for the info! Yotsubishi, gonna search and read more about this when i got time.

On 9/26/2024 at 10:54 PM, Number99 said:

The Pelican nib is stamped with the JIS mark〄 and JIS number.

😁

If you have the same on your pen, you can use that information to identify the Japanese nib manufacturer. I think it is possible to remove the nib and other parts but I do not know how to do it.

Mine have no JIS mark, and it's not gold nib. The styling of the word "Pelikan" on the nib is slightly different from the modern style. But the nib's overall design and shape and marking is same/similar to Pelikan's steel nib.

If following the Pelikan's Perch article, the pen is likely made in the 1950s, this gotta be my 'oldest' pen now.

Perhaps the nib was not original nib of this pen.

Also the pen body & barrel might be made out of ebonite.

September 27

On 9/26/2024 at 10:54 PM, Number99 said:

It is the Yotsubishi logo

just looked up the name. In kanji it reads as "4 rhombus".

Then it hit me that it's closed to Mitsubishi which is "3 rhombus", haha, fun fact.

October 1

I've not seen that feed on a Pelikan nib, but there's lots I don't know.

My late '30 early 40's 100 CN has the three longitudinal combs...but no side combs like that feed.

I have seen similar side combs, but on a slick vintage German feed.

October 4

On 9/26/2024 at 12:12 PM, AceNinja said:

Searching for the word "Pelikan japanese eyedropper" landed me on a Pelikan's Perch's artical: https://thepelikansperch.com/2024/04/14/pelikan-keyhole-nib/

The pen in the article does looks similar to my pen, except that mine is not the pelikan gold nib.

Hi,
your pen has the same feed as the one shown on the page to which you linked.

Its nib may be a local copy of the gold-plated steel nib that was on the Pelikan 120…

https://www.pelikan-collectibles.com/en/Pelikan/Nibs/Nib-units-since-1929/index.html#heading_toc_j_11

I suggest that it might be a locally-made copy because the engraving on the nib seems to not quite match that on the made-in-Germany Pelikan 120 nibs.

I suspect that, if you are able to take the nib unit out if the pen, you might find a ‘JIS’ stamp and number on it, like the ones on the nib on the Japanese eyedropper pen on The Pelikan’s Perch.
I suspect that it is there, but that you cannot currently see it because the nib is seated (‘correctly’) so that all of it below the nib-size ‘M’ stamp is covered by the grip-section.

All that said, I don’t know that the nib on your pen is a faithful Japanese copy of the nib on a 120; it could be a genuine, made-in-Germany, gold-plated steel nib from a 120. Or it could be something else… 🤷‍♂️

If I were you I would contact @sargetalon (the owner of The Pelikan’s Perch), and ask him for his opinion about your pen, and for his advice about how to remove the nib/feed unit - or if you should not actually attempt to do that!

I wish you good luck with finding out the details about your pen, and hope that your pen gives you many years of writing pleasure 😊

Slàinte,
M.

October 5

If it works I'd not screw with it, just put it in you mystery pen/nib section.

I have three or four of those, from back when I was a catfish.

October 23

On 10/5/2024 at 6:21 AM, Mercian said:

If I were you I would contact @sargetalon (the owner of The Pelikan’s Perch), and ask him for his opinion about your pen, and for his advice about how to remove the nib/feed unit - or if you should not actually attempt to do that!

Hi @sargetalon, are you able to shed more light on this info? would be much appreciated hehe..

Also, are these era of pens generally urushi lacquered? I mean, i don't know how to identify if it is or its not.

On 10/5/2024 at 7:13 PM, Bo Bo Olson said:

If it works I'd not screw with it, just put it in you mystery pen/nib section.

I have three or four of those, from back when I was a catfish.

Nope i haven't try to remove the nib/feed. I consider myself a cautious one, if I haven't see any tutorial, picture, video, on how to disassemble a pen, i wouldn't go in blindly. It is good the way it is now.