Pelikan Edelstein Star Ruby

[Mercian]

6 hours ago, InesF said:

Many people love P.E. Star Ruby. I find it OK, but not exciting. I use it rarely and only with some carefully selected pens.

I am one of the folk who love the stuff - but then I run it through Pelikan pens, which lay it down in a ‘wet’-enough line to make it look like delicious, juicy, raspberry syrup 🤤

I use it in greetings cards, where its sweet raspberry-syrup goodness is ‘just right’ for a brief message.

 

That said, it is the ink that I have found to be the most-persistent in my pens, and the most-difficult to clean out.

I would never put it in to a Parker 45 (whose feeds seem, when one is attempting to clean them, somehow able to retain a non-finite amount of residual ink 🤷‍♂️) or a Parker “51”.

 

 

6 hours ago, InesF said:

Why some inks cling and others not is, unfortunately, the outcome of multiple influence parameters. None of the four analysed parameters does provide a good explanation. I can only guess (that's what Professors are known for  )

In your capacity as a Professor, after warning us that you are merely sharing your informed conjecture, shouldn’t you now be stating that Further Research that is clearly necessary in order to develop an accurate understanding of the phenomenon, and therefore requesting More Funding…?
😉

[LizEF]

7 hours ago, InesF said:

Why some inks cling and others not is, unfortunately, the outcome of multiple influence parameters. None of the four analysed parameters does provide a good explanation. I can only guess (that's what Professors are known for  ) that the dye (or one of the dyes) is slightly lipophilic and develops some adhesion to the lipophilic parts of the pen (or converter). You can observe that from some blurple and purple inks as well, when they left pink traces in the pen. The affinity of the dye is independent from the capillary flow behaviour on paper, as usually other ink components are responsible for that.

(end of guess)

Thanks for your guess!  To add to the data we have on pink and clinging, or in this case staining, that sample of Diamine Onyx Black I had that went bad, left the sample vial stained pink (especially the white cap).  The stain appears to be permanent - my only remaining avenue of attack is undiluted bleach - pen flush and the ultrasonic did nothing.  The ink is known to have a strong purple component, so I guess the pink was part of that.  Sort of makes me glad this ink didn't spend a week in my Prera...

[Sailor Kenshin]

29 minutes ago, LizEF said:

Thanks for your guess!  To add to the data we have on pink and clinging, or in this case staining, that sample of Diamine Onyx Black I had that went bad, left the sample vial stained pink (especially the white cap).  The stain appears to be permanent - my only remaining avenue of attack is undiluted bleach - pen flush and the ultrasonic did nothing.  The ink is known to have a strong purple component, so I guess the pink was part of that.  Sort of makes me glad this ink didn't spend a week in my Prera...

Amen!  I hate staining inks.   Or Clingons, for that matter.  😜

[yazeh]

26 minutes ago, Sailor Kenshin said:

Amen!  I hate staining inks.   Or Clingons, for that matter.  😜

[Sailor Kenshin]

1 minute ago, yazeh said:

🙀 😵‍💫 🤢

[yazeh]

2 hours ago, Mercian said:

I am one of the folk who love the stuff - but then I run it through Pelikan pens, which lay it down in a ‘wet’-enough line to make it look like delicious, juicy, raspberry syrup 🤤

I use it in greetings cards, where its sweet raspberry-syrup goodness is ‘just right’ for a brief message.

Thanks for sharing your experience  

2 hours ago, Mercian said:

That said, it is the ink that I have found to be the most-persistent in my pens, and the most-difficult to clean out.

I would never put it in to a Parker 45 (whose feeds seem, when one is attempting to clean them, somehow able to retain a non-finite amount of residual ink 🤷‍♂️) or a Parker “51”.

I made the mistake of filling a Waterman W2 with Herbin Rose Cyclamen in my early pen days. Boy, it took me one week to clean it out  

 

1 hour ago, LizEF said:

Thanks for your guess!  To add to the data we have on pink and clinging, or in this case staining, that sample of Diamine Onyx Black I had that went bad, left the sample vial stained pink (especially the white cap).  The stain appears to be permanent - my only remaining avenue of attack is undiluted bleach - pen flush and the ultrasonic did nothing.  The ink is known to have a strong purple component, so I guess the pink was part of that.  Sort of makes me glad this ink didn't spend a week in my Prera...

Then this is a blessing in disguise. Funny thing is that some of the supposedly "worst" offenders are easier to clean than some pink/purple inks

[LizEF]

1 hour ago, Sailor Kenshin said:

Clingons

[LizEF]

23 minutes ago, yazeh said:

Then this is a blessing in disguise.

Exactly!

[inkstainedruth]

@yazeh  Thanks as usual for the review.

I love the color of this ink.  I have at least two (and possibly 3) bottles of it.  

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[Lithium466]

8 hours ago, yazeh said:

 

 I assume one can add a bit of blue, I haven't tried it yet

 

I had tried adding some R&K Königsblau and the result was super dry, which I found very weird. Then I just forgot about it in the sarcophagus of disappointment, along other expensive inky life lessons  

I just retried with some Sailor blue and it's not bad at all, a dark blurple.

[yazeh]

1 hour ago, inkstainedruth said:

@yazeh  Thanks as usual for the review.

A pleasure!

1 hour ago, inkstainedruth said:

I love the color of this ink.  I have at least two (and possibly 3) bottles of it.  

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

Wow! I'm impressed

[yazeh]

20 minutes ago, Lithium466 said:

I had tried adding some R&K Königsblau and the result was super dry, which I found very weird.

That's weird, both are so lubircated  

20 minutes ago, Lithium466 said:

Then I just forgot about it in the sarcophagus of disappointment, along other expensive inky life lessons  

Haha! Le tombeau des regrets 

20 minutes ago, Lithium466 said:

I just retried with some Sailor blue and it's not bad at all, a dark blurple.

 I was surprised by Jacques Herbin Rue de la Verrerie, it looks identical to Königsblau but boy day and night in behaviour

[Lithium466]

1 hour ago, yazeh said:

Haha! Le tombeau des regrets 

 I was surprised by Jacques Herbin Rue de la Verrerie, it looks identical to Königsblau but boy day and night in behaviour

😂

In good, or bad? R&K Königsblau is pretty well lubricated and on the wet side, no? My memory is weak. Is the Herbin another boring royal blue? It looked a bit peppier in your small writing sample!

[Mercian]

1 hour ago, Lithium466 said:

I had tried adding some R&K Königsblau and the result was super dry, which I found very weird. Then I just forgot about it in the sarcophagus of disappointment, along other expensive inky life lessons  

I just retried with some Sailor blue and it's not bad at all, a dark blurple.

Should anyone else wish to play around with mixes of ‘Star Ruby’, I would just like to point them in the direction of this ➡️ superb thread by namrehsnoom ⬅️ 😎

 

The thread should also appeal to anyone who has been lamenting the lack of a ‘purple’ ink in the Edelstein range.

[Lithium466]

Very interesting thread, thank you @Mercian!

I don't have Edelstein Topaz but maybe Faber Castell turquoise will do...

[yazeh]

@Mercian thanks for posting that. I like those deep, rich purples

[InesF]

On 9/13/2024 at 3:35 PM, Mercian said:

I am one of the folk who love the stuff - but then I run it through Pelikan pens, which lay it down in a ‘wet’-enough line to make it look like delicious, juicy, raspberry syrup 🤤

Indeed, raspberry syrup is a delicious perfectly fitting description for thick layers of Star Ruby! 👍👌

 

On 9/13/2024 at 3:35 PM, Mercian said:

In your capacity as a Professor, after warning us that you are merely sharing your informed conjecture, shouldn’t you now be stating that Further Research that is clearly necessary in order to develop an accurate understanding of the phenomenon, and therefore requesting More Funding…?
😉

I see, you know the academic way of how to see the world really well - like an insider!   

And yes, MORE FUNDING is always welcome!  

[InesF]

On 9/13/2024 at 4:44 PM, LizEF said:

Thanks for your guess!  To add to the data we have on pink and clinging, or in this case staining, that sample of Diamine Onyx Black I had that went bad, left the sample vial stained pink (especially the white cap).  The stain appears to be permanent - my only remaining avenue of attack is undiluted bleach - pen flush and the ultrasonic did nothing.  The ink is known to have a strong purple component, so I guess the pink was part of that.  Sort of makes me glad this ink didn't spend a week in my Prera...

You are welcome!

Sometimes it helps to know that the desorption from the wall takes in about the same (or sometimes a bit more) time as the absorption and diffusion into the wall has had. Static desorption (filling the vessel or pen once and let it rest) is not the way to go. You would need to remove even the tiniest traces of desorbed dye (or other chemical) in high frequency to keep the process going. Think as if it were two water filled vessels connected by a thin tube. You would need to remove the liquid from one vessel to get the volume decreased in the other. But when the same height is reached again, nothing more happens. So you need to empty again, and again, and again ... - each time the amount removed is a bit lower but in the end .... whenever that is.

So: yes it is possible to desorb dye from a stained pen. You need clean water (maybe with detergent) and a LOT of patience.  

[InesF]

On 9/13/2024 at 5:43 PM, yazeh said:

Thanks for revealing the secrets of Clingons, it was never told during Star Treck movies or TV series.  

Now we know, that Clingons make pink inks! 👍

[LizEF]

2 hours ago, InesF said:

You are welcome!

Sometimes it helps to know that the desorption from the wall takes in about the same (or sometimes a bit more) time as the absorption and diffusion into the wall has had. Static desorption (filling the vessel or pen once and let it rest) is not the way to go. You would need to remove even the tiniest traces of desorbed dye (or other chemical) in high frequency to keep the process going. Think as if it were two water filled vessels connected by a thin tube. You would need to remove the liquid from one vessel to get the volume decreased in the other. But when the same height is reached again, nothing more happens. So you need to empty again, and again, and again ... - each time the amount removed is a bit lower but in the end .... whenever that is.

So: yes it is possible to desorb dye from a stained pen. You need clean water (maybe with detergent) and a LOT of patience.  

Thank you again!  This would explain why soaking, emptying, soaking, emptying, ultrasonic-ing, soaking, etc. ad nauseum works!   My sample vial is currently filled with bleach.  I think it's making a difference on the vial, but doesn't appear to be altering the cap (even though it's resting on the cap).

 

2 hours ago, InesF said:

Now we know, that Clingons make pink inks! 👍

(No doubt it reminds them of the weak blood of their now-deceased enemies!)