Sailor TUZU Fountain Pen

[Bill P]

So I was intrigued by the fairly inexpensive Sailer Tuzu Fountain Pen that was recently released.

 

So first I purchased the Tuzu with the Medium nib....Honestly smooth as silk...for a under $50 Pen this was remarkable.

 

So then I purchased a Tuzu with the Fine Nib....OMG, ALSO Smooth...under $50...Wow, great value.

 

The nibs both write better than some Pens with nibs that I have used that cost above $500....

 

I strongly recommend...Small cost, excellent writer...

 

What more could you ask for?

 

Bill P.

[Sailor Kenshin]

Helllp meeee!  Before I saw this, I ordered a gray with B nib.

 

Thanks for the review.

[Bill P]

one other benefit....the nib does not seem to dry out when not in use....not dry, no skips, etc.  Frankly I am really impressed with the TUZU.

[jchch1950]

Thank you for the comments. The possibility of changing the angle of the nib is a good feature as it was on the Parker 75, Does the section can be used for long periods of writing?

[AmandaW]

How is the stepdown for writing comfort?

[Glenn-SC]

This photos show what looks like an, unmarked, Lamy Safari (etc.) nib.  True?

[Bill P]

I did not have a need to try changing the angle of the nib, although it is very easy to change.

 

The mounting of the nib to the feed is similar to the Safari, BUT I doubt that it is a unmarked Lamy nib.

 

I find the step down to be very comfortable.

 

All in all very pleased with the TUZU...excellent value.

[A Smug Dill]

1 hour ago, Glenn-SC said:

This photos show

 

Which photos?

 

1 hour ago, Glenn-SC said:

what looks like an, unmarked, Lamy Safari (etc.) nib.  True?

 

Not at all.

[Glenn-SC]

11 hours ago, A Smug Dill said:

 

Which photos?

 

 

Not at all.

On the Goulet and Goldspot websites. 
I can’t judge size/scale from separate photos, but, Yes, they do look identical.  

[A Smug Dill]

3 hours ago, Glenn-SC said:

On the Goulet and Goldspot websites. 
I can’t judge size/scale from separate photos, but, Yes, they do look identical.

 

OK then, let's take a look.

1. Source image from Goldspot website: 

 

 

2. Source image from Goldspot website: 

 

[Glenn-SC]

Ah!  A 3 degree difference!

 I guess you win. 

[Jamerelbe]

Certainly the nibs have some similarities in shape (also with the Platinum Preppy, though the latter doesn't have a breather hole], but I doubt very much they'd be interchangeable.  Check out another angle - these come from the Jetpens website.

 

Tuzu:

 

Lamy:

[A Smug Dill]

39 minutes ago, Glenn-SC said:

Ah!  A 3 degree difference!

 

Unlike on the Sailor TUZU's nib, the taper on LAMY Z50 nibs does not follow simple straight lines, but becomes more acute towards the tip. Spotting where it is pinched and goes from 37° to 26°, even without measuring down to degrees using a physical or electronic tool, shouldn't be that difficult just by eyeballing the outline of the LAMY nib's shape.

 

Similarly, where the slit ends on the Sailor TUZU's nib is bloody obvious, if one isn't blinded by preconceived ideas or just wanting things to be similar, familiar, and relatable to each other instead of considering everything individually first.

[Glenn-SC]

7 hours ago, A Smug Dill said:

Similarly, where the slit ends on the Sailor TUZU's nib is bloody obvious, if one isn't blinded by preconceived ideas or just wanting things to be similar, familiar, and relatable to each other instead of considering everything individually first.

WOW!

The passion of this personal attack is as vigorous as it is confusing. 
I refuse to play.  

[Bill P]

always, nothing new

 

[A Smug Dill]

15 minutes ago, Glenn-SC said:

The passion of this personal attack is as vigorous as it is confusing. 

 

There is nothing personal at all. I always like to argue vigorously, especially when there are facts that can be proven. That is due respect for one's opponents in a contest for who is correct and who isn't; being lazy, or letting up in the name of allowing some room to downplay their oversights or errors and save face in the open, is not respect.

[Glenn-SC]

17 hours ago, A Smug Dill said:

… is bloody obvious …

… blinded by preconceived ideas …. just wanting things to be similar, familiar, and relatable …

…. instead of considering everything …

Well let’s see, both nibs have in common:

material: stainless steel

color: silver

finish: polished

markings: minimal to none

platform: rectangular with a triangular extension to the tipping

front projection: flat tops with 90 folds to vertical sides to 90 folds to tabs that lock to the feed

side projection: rectangular (at section) with a cantilevered flat upper surface to tipping

 

size: can’t tell from separate photos

 

Differences,

angle to tipping: compound and varies by 3 degrees (per expert measurement)

 

BTW, revising the CNC programming to stop the tool cutting the slit before intersecting  the breather hole would take less time than it took you to write about it.  
 

Bottom Line, I DO NOT CARE if the two nibs are by the same manufacturer!  It was a question based upon the number of their similarities.

[A Smug Dill]

2 hours ago, Glenn-SC said:

Well let’s see, both nibs have in common:

 

Thank you. Now we're talking.

 

2 hours ago, Glenn-SC said:

Bottom Line, I DO NOT CARE if the two nibs are by the same manufacturer!

 

I never assume you did, or even considered whether you care about that aspect or attribute.

 

On 8/21/2024 at 10:27 PM, Glenn-SC said:

This photos show what looks like an, unmarked, Lamy Safari (etc.) nib.  True?

2 hours ago, Glenn-SC said:

It was a question based upon the number of their similarities.

 

To which I answered, ”Not at all.” A question like that called for an equally a similarly short answer in which one's reasoning is opaque, in kind. (Edited to correct my careless wording; “equally short” would have been a one-word answer “No.”)

 

If you'd pointed out the similarities you observed then in reply, to back up your position (with or without intending to prove me wrong), that would have ended the contention with no further argument; I might even have agreed with you.

 

The lazy, overreaching statement that:

On 8/22/2024 at 11:03 AM, Glenn-SC said:

Yes, they do look identical.

 

(which I previously quoted, so it was specific) was what I was refuting, as “vigorously” as I did. I don't see how you would even remotely perceive it as a “personal attack” in a discussion forum.

 

Anyway, thanks again for the detailed reply!

 

 

[Glenn-SC]

38 minutes ago, A Smug Dill said:

If you'd pointed out the similarities you observed then in reply, to back up your position (with or without intending to prove me wrong), that would have ended the contention with no further argument; I might even have agreed with you.

I had no reason to assume that I had to justify my question to anyone. 

[A Smug Dill]

On 8/23/2024 at 11:59 AM, Glenn-SC said:

I had no reason to assume that I had to justify my question to anyone. 

 

You didn't have to justify the question you asked. I answered in the way I thought was appropriate and mirrored the way you asked it. You/we could have left it at that.

 

You then followed up with a statement — and “Yes” in reply to my “Not at all” was directly disputing my answer, making it an argument, but one of logic or presumably fact, and not a personal thing. I refuted that subsequent statement with evidence. You downplayed the error ("Ah!  A 3 degree difference!") in that statement in response, so I followed with emphasis on more points of differences where the nibs don't look identical. You then alluded to it being a personal attack; and I replied not being lazy and not letting one's opponent downplay their error is due respect when arguing.

 

So here we are.

 

If you weren't downplaying your error, and “I guess you win.” wasn't a sarcastic way to punctuate that, but it was only my misinterpretation of your intent behind the reply, then I sincerely apologise.