Feedback with Pelikan M600

[Edward Selender]

So I have a black and red Pelikan M600 I pruchased about April 2023. I have been using Pilot Iroshizuku Crimson Glory Vine ink with the pen, as my understanding is that the Iroshizuku ink is a good ink and can be used with the Pelikan or any fountain pen. Also, I feel the color pairs well with the pen. However, my pen has a medium nib and it seems to me this pen has a lot of feedback. From my online research and other queries, I thought the Pelikan Souveran pens were supposed to have very little feedback, especially with the medium nib. I also have a green/white special edition M605. With the M605, which I had to send back to Chartpak three times, because it was skipping, which they denied (I sent them a writing sample as evidence). The M605 writes very smooth and wet, with less feedback, but I use the Pelikan Edelstein sapphire blue ink with the M605. I actually like a little feedback (My Montblanc special edition Le Petit Prince and the Fox le classique has a little feedback), but lately, the feedback with the Pelikan M600 seems to bother me more. I brought the M600 to someone who owns a nice gift shop that sells Pelikans, and the owner checked my M600 and think it writes well. Would I have less feedback if I were to use the Edelstein ink with my M600 and is what I am feeling normal ?

[Edward Selender]

Just now, Edward Selender said:

So I have a black and red Pelikan M600 I pruchased about April 2023. I have been using Pilot Iroshizuku Crimson Glory Vine ink with the pen, as my understanding is that the Iroshizuku ink is a good ink and can be used with the Pelikan or any fountain pen. Also, I feel the color pairs well with the pen. However, my pen has a medium nib and it seems to me this pen has a lot of feedback. From my online research and other queries, I thought the Pelikan Souveran pens were supposed to have very little feedback, especially with the medium nib. I also have a green/white special edition M605. With the M605, which I had to send back to Chartpak three times, because it was skipping, which they denied (I sent them a writing sample as evidence). The M605 writes very smooth and wet, with less feedback, but I use the Pelikan Edelstein sapphire blue ink with the M605. I actually like a little feedback (My Montblanc special edition Le Petit Prince and the Fox le classique has a little feedback), but lately, the feedback with the Pelikan M600 seems to bother me more. I brought the M600 to someone who owns a nice gift shop that sells Pelikans, and the owner checked my M600 and think it writes well. Would I have less feedback if I were to use the Edelstein ink with my M600 and is what I am feeling normal ?

I actually got my M600 in 2022.

[Cjtamu]

Try it and see. I have Edelstein Onyx in my M605 black tortoise and it’s very smooth. Different inks and papers can have a big influence on how a pen writes. I’ll tell you the only Pelikan nibs we own that weren’t excellent out of the box were two M600s with Medium nibs that we bought 2-3 months ago. Actually swapped the original nibs on both. The new nibs are much better but still not the equal of our other Pelikans. No idea why. Ours are going to get a quick tuneup by a nibmeister. Thats the best way to get your nib to write exactly as you want.

[OCArt]

@Edward SelenderExamine the nib under a good 10X loupe to be sure it is aligned.  There are several YouTube videos that cover this but these are good:

 

 

[Edward Selender]

2 hours ago, Cjtamu said:

Try it and see. I have Edelstein Onyx in my M605 black tortoise and it’s very smooth. Different inks and papers can have a big influence on how a pen writes. I’ll tell you the only Pelikan nibs we own that weren’t excellent out of the box were two M600s with Medium nibs that we bought 2-3 months ago. Actually swapped the original nibs on both. The new nibs are much better but still not the equal of our other Pelikans. No idea why. Ours are going to get a quick tuneup by a nibmeister. Thats the best way to get your nib to write exactly as you want.

Thanks so much for your candid and thorough response. Have two quick follow up questions. Did Chartpak/Pelikan swap out the nibs on your M600's and how does one find a reputable nibmeister? Fahrney's Pens, in Washington D.C., from whom I purchased the M600, used to have a great nibmeister/repair person, but she retired, so Fahrney's no longer does pen repairs. The manager at Fahrney's had mentioned to me they have a person who now does all their "nib work" now.

[Cjtamu]

Ours were purchased at Dromgoole’s in Houston and they swapped nibs out. I have more than a half dozen pens optimized by Kirk Speer and they’re excellent. We’ll have him do these next time he’s in town. There are others as well, I’m sure FPN members will have some additional folks they’ve used.

[Bo Bo Olson]

1. Japanese nibs are very narrow, there for inks are wet.

2. Pelikan 4001 inks are dry. Therefore Pelikan makes wet nibs.

Waterman made for European nibs a narrow nib and for the time, a wet ink. Still is IMO.

Some Noodler users consider  Waterman a dry ink...if so I can see Japanese ink users having a problem matching a wet ink with a wet nib...but that didn't seem to be your problem

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Look at the nib tip with the 10X good glass loup, or a cheap 40X Chinese mislabeled loup.

If one tine is high, with thumb nail at the breather hole, press under the low tine for two seconds, do that three times...the nib should be now aligned and no longer scratchy.

It is by me seldom that a tine is low...if so, thumb nail under the start of the shoulder and lift the tine above the other again for two seconds, three times.

It is seldom a misaligned tine is spotted at a B&M, but often by mail.