Sailor 1911 Large: 11-2024-220 Amazon $116.00 21K Nib, Silver Trim

[Merrick]

53 minutes ago, DesAstor said:

So if I wanted a Sailor and never had one and am looking for a jumping off point to potentially buy further up the chain, would a ProFit 21 with MF nib a good choice? I’d like to take advantage of the yen/$ issue, but have no idea what is what. Sailor has just so many different models/variations and time appears of the essence (otherwise I would have spend the time and done a deep dive; so my apologies being seemingly lazy). 
 

Thanks

A Sailor MF would be close to a western F. How much feedback do you want? All Sailors have feedback but the finer the nib, the more feedback you’ll experience. 
 

I think a Profit/1911 with a 21K nib would be an outstanding way to get into Sailor. 

[USG]

4 hours ago, Merrick said:

A Sailor MF would be close to a western F. How much feedback do you want? All Sailors have feedback but the finer the nib, the more feedback you’ll experience. 
 

I think a Profit/1911 with a 21K nib would be an outstanding way to get into Sailor. 

 

 I just checked the price on Amazon   $142.60  Link

 

I have accumulated 4 of them from this Vendor, at varying prices.  All Medium.

I found the 1911 Large 'M' line width to be roughly comparable to the Pilot 743 SFM.  (Depending on the pen you get) YMMV <---

 

None of them have much feedback. 

(quick and dirty cell phone pic)

[lascosas]

These pens do not come in FM.  Your choice is F or M.  If you are in the United States, the best price option is to purchase from the seller Amazon Japan on amazon.com.  Below are some options.  In some cases Amazon Japan (which is the lowest price) won't appear first, you need to look for it under Other Sellers of the product:

14K:

Fine: https://www.amazon.com/Sailor-fountain-professional-silver-11-1222-220/dp/B001TI9LMU

Medium: https://www.amazon.com/Sailor-fountain-professional-silver-11-1222-220/dp/B001TIBILM?th=1

           https://www.amazon.com/Sailor-11-1227-301-Fountain-Fairytanashi-Ryumiagi/dp/B0861KQ7QG  [This is a very attractive finish on this pen]

 

 

21K:

Fine: https://www.amazon.com/Sailor-fountain-profit-silver-11-2024-320/dp/B00511I02S

         https://www.amazon.com/Sailor-Professional-Fountain-Black-11-2036-220/dp/B0025RTHRI

Medium: https://www.amazon.com/Sailor-Fountain-Professional-silver-112037420/dp/B001G5Z698

[DesAstor]

11 hours ago, Merrick said:

A Sailor MF would be close to a western F. How much feedback do you want? All Sailors have feedback but the finer the nib, the more feedback you’ll experience. 
 

I think a Profit/1911 with a 21K nib would be an outstanding way to get into Sailor. 

So is feedback equivalent to scratching across paper? I’ve been writing exclusively using medium nibs and all those pens are just floating across paper. The exceptions are my Pilot CM stubs I got, although I don’t mind how that feels, in fact I like it bc it keeps me connected to the paper and my writing. When I ordered the Sailor it was advertised as a medium nib but after I partially learned the Sailor coding realized that it was a MF nib. Might be a blessing in disguise though. In case I get bitten by the bug, what would be the next logical model choice?

[DesAstor]

1 hour ago, lascosas said:

These pens do not come in FM.  Your choice is F or M.  If you are in the United States, the best price option is to purchase from the seller Amazon Japan on amazon.com.  Below are some options.  In some cases Amazon Japan (which is the lowest price) won't appear first, you need to look for it under Other Sellers of the product:

14K:

Fine: https://www.amazon.com/Sailor-fountain-professional-silver-11-1222-220/dp/B001TI9LMU

Medium: https://www.amazon.com/Sailor-fountain-professional-silver-11-1222-220/dp/B001TIBILM?th=1

           https://www.amazon.com/Sailor-11-1227-301-Fountain-Fairytanashi-Ryumiagi/dp/B0861KQ7QG  [This is a very attractive finish on this pen]

 

 

21K:

Fine: https://www.amazon.com/Sailor-fountain-profit-silver-11-2024-320/dp/B00511I02S

         https://www.amazon.com/Sailor-Professional-Fountain-Black-11-2036-220/dp/B0025RTHRI

Medium: https://www.amazon.com/Sailor-Fountain-Professional-silver-112037420/dp/B001G5Z698

So I placed an order for the 11-2024-320. The 3 in the -320 does not indicate MF? I got that of a coding scheme posted on this site and according to it a 2 is Fine and a 4 would be Medium? So I got this wrong? I would not mind bc wanted a medium anyway. But I’d need to figure out the coding scheme more validly then, unless I messed up somewhere.

[lascosas]

I misspoke.  Sailor tells me the availability is:

11-2024-120(EF)
11-2024-220 (F)
11-2024-320 (MF)
11-2024-420 (M)
11-2024-620 (B)
11-2024-720 (Z)
11-2024-920 (MS)

 

But I own the 11-2024-320 purchased from Amazon Japan, the seller, and it is a medium.

[Merrick]

1 hour ago, DesAstor said:

So is feedback equivalent to scratching across paper? I’ve been writing exclusively using medium nibs and all those pens are just floating across paper. The exceptions are my Pilot CM stubs I got, although I don’t mind how that feels, in fact I like it bc it keeps me connected to the paper and my writing. When I ordered the Sailor it was advertised as a medium nib but after I partially learned the Sailor coding realized that it was a MF nib. Might be a blessing in disguise though. In case I get bitten by the bug, what would be the next logical model choice?

Feedback is not scratchiness, it’s being able to feel the job as it moves across the paper. Some nibs are extremely smooth and feel like you’re barely writing on anything, others feel more like writing with a pencil. Sailor is the latter. 

[DesAstor]

56 minutes ago, Merrick said:

Feedback is not scratchiness, it’s being able to feel the job as it moves across the paper. Some nibs are extremely smooth and feel like you’re barely writing on anything, others feel more like writing with a pencil. Sailor is the latter. 

Being a novice, I don’t appreciate the difference. But I know now what you’re talking about. My Pilot subs have the pencil feel while my other ones just literally glide over the paper. Now I am getting excited about the Sailor. I wonder if I really get a MF as advertised or the M nib. 

[Merrick]

Scratchiness would feel like the pen is digging into, pulling on, or cutting through the fibers in the paper. Feedback just relays some physical cues as to how the pen is writing on the paper.

[DesAstor]

2 hours ago, Merrick said:

Scratchiness would feel like the pen is digging into, pulling on, or cutting through the fibers in the paper. Feedback just relays some physical cues as to how the pen is writing on the paper.

Got it.

[SpecTP]

On 6/14/2024 at 12:24 AM, DesAstor said:

So if I wanted a Sailor and never had one and am looking for a jumping off point to potentially buy further up the chain, would a ProFit 21 with MF nib a good choice? I’d like to take advantage of the yen/$ issue, but have no idea what is what. Sailor has just so many different models/variations and time appears of the essence (otherwise I would have spend the time and done a deep dive; so my apologies being seemingly lazy). 
 

Thanks

 

yes, that's a solid pen with a great nib.

[USG]

Here's some upsetting information:

 

Over the years I've purchased a number of Sailor 1911 Ls from the Amazon dealer in Japan, you all know about, with the "right price", but the last pen is some kind of FAKE with what I think is a 14K nib (if that) stamped 21K in a 1911 L body.  What do you guys think about this?

 

This scam is particularly troubling because without a comparison, a one time buyer would never know that he was scammed.

 

Check this out:  Even the hardware rings color are off...  The gold in the center nib is the same color as my recent Sailor Slim 14K Mini.  The whole pen has been downgraded to the 14K color. 

 

 

 

 

Center Bottom ring is not as yellow

 

 

[mke]

2 hours ago, USG said:

the Amazon dealer in Japan, you all know about,

 

Are you talking about Amazon Japan?

What do they say to your complaint?

 

Did you ask Sailor if the color has changed recently or what they think about the situation?

https://en.sailor.co.jp/contact/

 

[USG]

1 hour ago, mke said:

 

Are you talking about Amazon Japan?

What do they say to your complaint?

 

Did you ask Sailor if the color has changed recently or what they think about the situation?

https://en.sailor.co.jp/contact/

 

 

Yes Amazon Japan.

What do you think of that pen?

I just got it and haven't done anything yet.

 

[EricTheRed]

[EricTheRed]

The Sailor on the right which  I purchased more than 5 years ago, and it writes butter smooth, has a two tone 21K nib but the color of the gold is similar to your recent purchase.  Interestingly, I just received a new Realo from Amazon Japan which has a darker yellow nib similar to all your Sailors except for your new one.  I strongly suspect it’s not a scam, but reflects the makeup of the alloy mixed in with the gold as these nibs are 21K, not pure gold.

 

Great photos and use of indicator arrows by the way!  Let us know when you receive an explanation from Amazon, Japan.  I appreciate you bringing this issue to everyone’s attention.  Interesting issue…

[mke]

7 hours ago, USG said:

Amazon Japan.

I would be surprised if the Japanese daughter company of Amazon would buy pens from someone other than Sailor itself. But who knows?

 

Regarding gold color, if they changed the composition of the gold for its nibs, it could look different.

 

Ask Amazon and Sailor for advice.

 

 

 

 

[Penguincollector]

41 minutes ago, EricTheRed said:

 

 Does the design of the anchor differ from one pen to the other? 

[EricTheRed]

Yes, Sailor charged their nib design about 3 years ago.  I personally prefer the old nib design.

[Driften]

6 hours ago, USG said:

Here's some upsetting information:

 

Over the years I've purchased a number of Sailor 1911 Ls from the Amazon dealer in Japan, you all know about, with the "right price", but the last pen is some kind of FAKE with what I think is a 14K nib (if that) stamped 21K in a 1911 L body.  What do you guys think about this?

 

This scam is particularly troubling because without a comparison, a one time buyer would never know that he was scammed.

 

Check this out:  Even the hardware rings color are off...  The gold in the center nib is the same color as my recent Sailor Slim 14K Mini.  The whole pen has been downgraded to the 14K color. 

 

 

 

 

Center Bottom ring is not as yellow

 

 

Did you order a 11-2024 silver trim model? That's what it looks like.