Another Safari for 2024

[mehandiratta]

On 4/18/2024 at 10:45 PM, Calabria said:

I’d like to order the Safari Field Green, which is a Japan-only release. Does anybody know how to go about doing that?

Yoi can order easily via Itoya webpage through buyer which is proxy shipping 

[jungkind]

Fontoplumo had them as well: FONTOPLUMO.NL, bought one from them, but don't know if they have stock left

 

[inkstainedruth]

I just did a quick Google search for the Field Green Safari.  And was going, "Ehhhhh..." and then saw the exorbitant price someone is asking for it on eBay  -- and then was going, "Oh H*LL no!"

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[Doc Dan]

A British Racing Green would be nice. 

[Doc Dan]

3 hours ago, arkpol007 said:

Not sure about this, it looks nice, but the glossyness! I cannot stand it.
I'd say to make it matte or from a somewhat non-reflective material at least

I haven't seen the new pen. There are no posts on their website, nor on some of the larger retailers. I wonder if it will be like the Asia only leaf green? I hope it is darker than that. 

[Glenn-SC]

7 hours ago, arkpol007 said:

Just buy a cheap 1-2 buck knock off fountain pen. I hate when rich people gate keep (using prices) fancy stuff

So the FPN now espouses supporting thieves and con-artists as long as FP users can “get what they want for cheap”?  

[A Smug Dill]

On 4/19/2024 at 3:15 AM, Calabria said:

Does anybody know how to go about doing that?

 

I bought one last week. No ordering, I just bought it over the counter in the Isetan department store at Kyoto Station.

[A Smug Dill]

9 hours ago, inkstainedruth said:

I just did a quick Google search for the Field Green Safari.  And was going, "Ehhhhh..." and then saw the exorbitant price someone is asking for it on eBay 

 

300 of the units of the limited edition are factory-fitted with 14K gold nibs.

 

 

[AmandaW]

Pen Gallery Malaysia has the Field Green listed. Shipping is almost as much as the pen.

[mke]

2 hours ago, Glenn-SC said:

So the FPN now espouses supporting thieves and con-artists

 

Exactly the way many, now established, pen companies started their business - by copying. 

[A Smug Dill]

2 hours ago, Glenn-SC said:

So the FPN now espouses supporting thieves and con-artists as long as FP users can “get what they want for cheap”?  

 

“The FPN” has no position on the matter, I'm sure. Individual members speak for themselves, and each has equal influence and relevance logically as you (or I) do. If you are against something, and someone else are for it, then (in broad strokes) consider those ‘votes’ of confidence or conscience just cancel each other out in terms of where the community stands or what the consensus is. We're not here to agree and seek moral guidance as pen users and consumers, let alone trying to evangelise or propagate some sort of doctrine as what ought to be the mainstream school of thought in matters of how to spend our personal budget.

[Glenn-SC]

4 hours ago, mke said:

 

Exactly the way many, now established, pen companies started their business - by copying. 

Maybe, but they didn’t blatantly mark them and advertise them as another companies’ product.  
Knockoff Lamys have “Lamy” molded right into the barrel and the Sellers list them as Lamy pens. 

 

[Glenn-SC]

4 hours ago, A Smug Dill said:

We're not here to agree and seek moral guidance as pen users and consumers, let alone trying to evangelise or propagate some sort of doctrine as what ought to be the mainstream school of thought in matters of how to spend our personal budget.

And yet a member was “evangelizing” a doctrine of buying direct knockoff copies of legitimate pens.  

[A Smug Dill]

14 minutes ago, Glenn-SC said:

And yet a member was “evangelizing” a doctrine of buying direct knockoff copies of legitimate pens.

 

OK then; you do you. If you want to counter his/her lone voice with your lone voice to neutralise the effect of the former's questionable level of influence, please go right ahead. We don't need to be in agreement, and most certainly don't need to share values (however strongly or dearly we hold them ourselves), to be neighbours or a community, as long as there is something else in common that provides the link to that identity; in this case, fountain pen hobbyists. Even if we find others' views distasteful, they still share that community identity with you, me, and everyone else here.

 

He/she does not speak for “the FPN”, you don't, and I don't either. I personally think that's important for everyone to remember.

[rdxdave]

3 hours ago, Glenn-SC said:

Maybe, but they didn’t blatantly mark them and advertise them as another companies’ product.  
Knockoff Lamys have “Lamy” molded right into the barrel and the Sellers list them as Lamy pens. 

 

 

I agree. If they want to copy another pen, fine, but don't call pretend it's the same one. That's theft, and despite what some people are trying to claim, this isn't a case of to each their own--people that do this are defrauding the purchaser of the pen. 

[mke]

7 hours ago, Glenn-SC said:

Knockoff Lamys have “Lamy” molded right into the barrel

I see, you were talking about counterfeit copies. I was talking about imitation copies like those from Jinhao which have the name Jinhao in the barrel. I don't know which type of "knockoff" the OP meant.

 

Here another set of imitation copies: https://www.instagram.com/p/CM9EesWhc6o/

 

[mke]

4 hours ago, rdxdave said:

people that do this are defrauding the purchaser of the pen

 

Perhaps people should not greedily jump on Lamys for $5 - or they should generally buy only at trusted sources.

[rdxdave]

2 hours ago, mke said:

 

Perhaps people should not greedily jump on Lamys for $5 - or they should generally buy only at trusted sources.

 

Oh yeah, there's a difference between Jin Hao making a copy of a pen and then calling it something different. 

[Glenn-SC]

41 minutes ago, rdxdave said:

Oh yeah, there's a difference between Jin Hao making a copy of a pen and then calling it something different. 

Yes there is.  It’s called being honest.  
If Jin Hao makes and sells Jin Hai pens then you are not expecting to get a Lamy pen.  
Jin Hao selling pens marked “Lamy” is stealing the Lamy reputation and engineering and marketing (and the costs there of).

[mke]

7 hours ago, rdxdave said:

Oh yeah, there's a difference between Jin Hao making a copy of a pen and then calling it something different. 

 

Of course, it is a copy. But that is not the question. The question is if they are legally allowed to copy it.

 

It seems as if the (design) patent protection of the Lamy Safari is already expired since 2000. If that is true, everybody would now be legally allowed to make clones, as long as they do not write Lamy onto the pen.

To be certain, please check the analysis for yourself. In the comments, someone cites a patent lawyer saying that the analysis is correct.

 

https://fpgeeks.com/forum/showthread.php/4433-Hero-359-The-Lamy-Safari-Knockoff