Parker ID please?

[bc.hiker]

Need help with the ID of this Parker button filler pen.  I have looked at the Parker website and am not sure at all of the model.  We're in the process of sac replacement on it.  The writing on the clip has a Patent date of Sept. 10, 1916 or 1918.  Any help from the knowledgeable experts would be most appreciated.  Thanks very much!

[Mercian]

I am going through all the models listed on Tony Fischier’s parkerpens.net and looking for something that matches your pen.

 

While the pen body & blind-cap look to me like they may be a 1935 Parker Challenger DeLuxe…

 

http://parkerpens.net/challenger.html

 

…but the cap does not look like that pen’s cap. It seems rather more like it might be from an all-black version of a Parker Duofold Senior DeLuxe (if any such pen was ever made/sold)…

 

http://parkerpens.net/duofold.html

 

The 1916 patent mentioned on your pen’s clip may refer to the ‘washer clip’ patented in 1916, which patent was paid for 17 years, so would still presumably be cited on pens as late as 1935.

 

I will keep looking….

[bc.hiker]

Thank you so much for your reply and insight.  I appreciate this very much.  I'm not familiar enough with Parker pens to even make a guess.  I bought this pen maybe 10 years ago and know nothing about it.   Just looking for any info on it so that I'd at least know which model fits it.  Many thanks.  

 

Update:  The printing on the Nib states:  Parker Duofold Pen - Made in USA.

[Mercian]

1 hour ago, bc.hiker said:

Thank you so much for your reply and insight.  I appreciate this very much.  I'm not familiar enough with Parker pens to even make a guess.  I bought this pen maybe 10 years ago and know nothing about it.   Just looking for any info on it so that I'd at least know which model fits it.  Many thanks.  

 

Update:  The printing on the Nib states:  Parker Duofold Pen - Made in USA.

I think I might have found it now!

 

It looks like your pen may be a Parker ‘Televisor’.

They were a version of the 1930s Parker Duofold that were made in a factory in Canada, which Parker had set up in the 1920s to make pens for export to the British Empire.

The fact that your nib is stamped ‘Made in USA’ may mean that your pen’s nib was swapped by some previous owner, or that the Canadian factory assembled pens with US-made nibs.
Looking at your photos, the nib does seem to be slightly smaller than your pen’s feed, so I suspect that a previous owner may have replaced a damaged original nib.

 

Have a read of http://parkerpens.net/televisor.html, and see whether your pen looks like it could be a ‘Televisor’.

 

That all said, I am puzzled by the part of your pen that is visible between the grip-section and the threads onto which the cap screws.
It appears to be opaque, and of a slightly narrower diameter than either the grip-section or the barrel.
To me, this suggests that your pen may have been assembled from parts of various Parker pens. Perhaps by a previous owner who had broken e.g. the grip-section of one pen, and so replaced the broken part with a component from another model.

Which would make your pen a ‘Frankenpen’ or a ‘FrankenParker’. But if it still writes nicely, who cares? 🙂

 

Slàinte,
M.

[bc.hiker]

Yes, I think you're most likely right about this Televisor model.  The pen I have would qualify as the 'slender' model.  Visually, it's identical to the one in the photograph.  The grip part of the barrel does not have Parker printing on it - only the nib and pen clip are clearly stamped with a Parker ID.  Can't thank you enough for looking into this for me, I never would've found it.  Your efforts are very much appreciated.  

 

Question 2:  Wondering if there might be a source for new or NOS pressure bars for this model?  Inside the barrel of the pen the old sac and disintegrated sac parts were like melted rubber.  We got it cleaned out and ready for a new sac but....a previous owner somehow bent the pressure bar.  Perhaps it could very carefully be straightened out but if not, we wonder if that pressure bar might be available through some source?  Thanks to you or anyone who might have some info on this.  

[Mercian]

The barrel imprint may have worn off - or been ‘polished off’ - over the last 90 years or so.

E.g. the first Parker “51” that I bought had a 1954 Q3 date-code on its barrel that was still just barely visible when I bought the pen. But I needed to get its nib replaced, so sent it to a restorer. The restorer repaired my “51” beautifully, and in the process also polished away the last traces of the date-code from the barrel.

 

With respect to your pen’s pressure bar, I would imagine that Parker used the same bars in all its pens of the same size - i.e. that a pressure bar for a Duofold or Challenger of the same size would also be a perfect fit for your Televisor.

That said, I do not know this to be true.
So, if I were you, I would contact reputable repairers, and ask them about it, and also whether or not they have the appropriate part(s) in their stock.

 

You could also ask what pressure bars would fit this pen - and/for recommendations for repairers near you - on either the ‘Parker’ board here, or the ‘Repairs Q&A’ board here.

 

I wish you good luck with it 

 

Slainte,
M.

[bc.hiker]

Thanks very much for your great reply.  Now that I know in all likelihood this is the Televisor model I will head over to the Repairs Q&A board or here on the Parker board.  I so appreciate your help and for sharing your experiences with Parker pens.  I think with a little more parts help we'll be able to breathe new life into this old pen so she'll live to write again!  Again, many thanks.

 

Slàinte mhath!! 

[Ron Z]

For repair purposes, it's a Parker Button filler with a slip fit section, so it might have one of the hanging pressure bars.  A button filler is a button filler.  Whether it's a Duofold, Challenger, or what have you.  I remove the button and the pressure bar so that it doesn't get tangled up on the sac, or remains of the sac.  Trying to unscrew a threaded section with the pressure bar in is asking for trouble and a cracked barrel.

[bc.hiker]

Thanks for your comment Ron Z.  Yes, it does have a hanging pressure bar.  I appreciate knowing that the button-fill pen model isn't critical to getting another pressure bar.   This is the first time we've attempted a pressure bar replacement on a Parker pen.  I'm a total newbie at this and was trying to learn the best way to do this so that the pen can be functional again.  I appreciate any input and advice received.  Many thanks.  

[FlighterGuy]

Looks to me like a small pen.  Three bands would make it a ladies size clip pen cap. 

[bc.hiker]

Yes, that's right....it's a small pen.  Thanks for your post.  

[Claes]

Doesn' the ink feed protrude too much?

[bc.hiker]

Another question:  Would this button filler require a replacement sac with a neck or a straight sac?  We were able to get the pressure bar straightened out and believe it will work in the pen.  I bought size #16 latex replacement straight sacs but they are too slim.  I've never used a latex sac with a neck, but don't know what's common with Parker button filler replacement sacs?  

 

Claes:  I don't know - it's a query for those with more knowledge than I have!  

 

Thanks for the replies to this thread.  

[Checklist]

Try Richard Bender's site for reference: http://www.richardspens.com/ref/repair/sacs.htm#parker

 

It's my go-to for sac size questions.

[bc.hiker]

Thanks for the suggestion Checklist, I will definitely do that!  Appreciate your advice.  

[Checklist]

Just remember, on a good day, it might be worth what you paid for it.

[bc.hiker]

  Well then.....I bought this pen so long ago I can't begin to remember what I paid for it.  Not much though, as I had no idea what I was getting.  Didn't even realize it was a button filler until I had it in my hands.  It just looked like it had a nice gold flex nib!  I'm just an inquisitive noob, trying to learn.  Thanks for your input.