Mitsubishi Pencils acquires Lamy

[Mark from Yorkshire]

The uni logo, not the car company logo

[Mark from Yorkshire]

When I get them through I will take the info off of the emails I have. I have also in the meantime asked both Omas and Nahvalur direct through their contact us page and will see what they come back with.

[Number99]

18 hours ago, Mark from Yorkshire said:

The uni logo, not the car company logo

Thanks for letting me know!

Ignoring my findings, they must be associated with MITSUBISHI PENCIL COMPANY, LIMITED. if that logo was used.

😅

 

P.S.

I am not an English speaker and can only get a little information through subtitles.

Maybe you can find some useful information in this youtube video.

https://youtu.be/v55PYMFx1N0?feature=shared

 

 

Edited June 21 by Number99
Correction of mistranslation.

[LWW]

This nib hasn’t feen fiddly at all.

 

The thing I do with every new nib is ink it with any wet ink and then no 8’s for about 10 seconds on a standard yellow legal pad. Sort of a brown bag lite treatment.

[mke]

On 6/20/2024 at 6:40 AM, sketchstack said:

Unibrands is a holding company that is related to Navular/Narhwal and apparently Omas. 

Look here: https://www.unibrands.co/pages/corporate-info-unibrands-1 , it shows Mitsubishi pencils.

Additionally, the UNI of Unibrands look exactly like the UNI of Mitsubishi.

[RJS]

13 minutes ago, mke said:

Look here: https://www.unibrands.co/pages/corporate-info-unibrands-1 , it shows Mitsubishi pencils.

Additionally, the UNI of Unibrands look exactly like the UNI of Mitsubishi.

That's only one of the companies called "Unibrands Corporation" that exists. 
 

See: https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/1326524D:US

[RJS]

One of the faceless "Unibrands Corportation" companies owns all these trademarks:

https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/unibrands-corporation-5241987/

[RJS]

13 minutes ago, RJS said:

One of the faceless "Unibrands Corportation" companies owns all these trademarks:

https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/unibrands-corporation-5241987/

From the looks of things, the owners of this particular 'Unibrands Corporation' include these two chaps:

 

[arcfide]

8 hours ago, RJS said:

From the looks of things, the owners of this particular 'Unibrands Corporation' include these two chaps:

 

 

Sorry, do you have a citation for the association of Frank Zhang and Unibrands Corp.? It seems reasonable, but I haven't seen the two directly connected on any page except for indirectly via the Justia page saying that Unibrands Corp. own the trademarks for OMAS and Nahvalur. 

[arcfide]

On 6/20/2024 at 9:40 AM, Mark from Yorkshire said:

When I get them through I will take the info off of the emails I have. I have also in the meantime asked both Omas and Nahvalur direct through their contact us page and will see what they come back with.

 

Just to be completely clear, you're saying that you had product dealings with the distributors/owners of Omas/Nahvalur in emails around Nahvalur products which branded themselves identically with the UNI brand from Mitsubishi Pencil Co and used the name "Unibrands Corp."? Did they reference any Uni-ball anything in their signatures or the like? 

 

I could theoretically imagine the Unibrands US arm of Mitsubishi becoming a distributor for OMAS/Nahvalur or the like, but that seems somewhat far-fetched. It seems more likely that they are two separate companies, but that would be an issue if they were using the exact same trademark brands as the UNI brand from Mitsubishi, as that could get them into trouble. 

[RJS]

2 hours ago, arcfide said:

 

Sorry, do you have a citation for the association of Frank Zhang and Unibrands Corp.? It seems reasonable, but I haven't seen the two directly connected on any page except for indirectly via the Justia page saying that Unibrands Corp. own the trademarks for OMAS and Nahvalur. 

They own the California Pen Show... Mystery "unibrands" is listed as the owner of the trademark to the California Pen Show... 

[mke]

10 hours ago, arcfide said:

distributors/owners of Omas/Nahvalur

It is getting weird. I remember that Omas merged with Armando Simoni Club which is owned by The Pen Family.

They also seem to be the distributors of Mr.Cypress in the US or even the owners of them. 

Now the question comes up, does unibrands have a connection with The Pen Family?

[Mark from Yorkshire]

11 hours ago, arcfide said:

 

Just to be completely clear, you're saying that you had product dealings with the distributors/owners of Omas/Nahvalur in emails around Nahvalur products which branded themselves identically with the UNI brand from Mitsubishi Pencil Co and used the name "Unibrands Corp."? Did they reference any Uni-ball anything in their signatures or the like? 

 

I could theoretically imagine the Unibrands US arm of Mitsubishi becoming a distributor for OMAS/Nahvalur or the like, but that seems somewhat far-fetched. It seems more likely that they are two separate companies, but that would be an issue if they were using the exact same trademark brands as the UNI brand from Mitsubishi, as that could get them into trouble. 

It had the large red uni branding and also uni brand corporation address as return address from memory.

[RJS]

The "Unibrands" that owns the trademarks for Omas, Nahvalur, The California Pen show, etc, seems to be a distinct legal entity to Mitsubishi Pencil Company and their associated trademarks.

 

https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/mitsubishi-pencil-company-limited-1504220/

[RJS]

2 hours ago, Mark from Yorkshire said:

It had the large red uni branding and also uni brand corporation address as return address from memory.

If your memory serves you correctly, it poses a bunch of questions as to why they'd be trying to obscure ownership, or why someone would pretend to be them.

[mke]

1 hour ago, RJS said:

The "Unibrands" that owns the trademarks for Omas, Nahvalur, The California Pen show, etc, seems to be a distinct legal entity to Mitsubishi Pencil Company and their associated trademarks.

https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/mitsubishi-pencil-company-limited-1504220/

 

Your link doesn't fit your description above it.

 

https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/unibrands-corporation-5241987/

https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/unibrands-corporation-5086709/

This is clearly The Pen Family (check their homepage for the brands) and they have nothing to do with Mitsubishi.

 

But it is even messier, in the 5241987 link is mentioned Kiran Mehra, who is the co-founder and president of Goldspot Pens. Eventually, they owned the Nahvalur trademark first.

[RJS]

16 minutes ago, mke said:

 

Your link doesn't fit your description above it.

 

https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/unibrands-corporation-5241987/

https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/unibrands-corporation-5086709/

This is clearly The Pen Family (check their homepage for the brands) and they have nothing to do with Mitsubishi.

I already posted that link first link. I was following up. I could/should have re-posted the link you just re-posted for clarity.

 

We're in agreement it seems highly unlikely that Mitsubishi have anything to do with this other "Unibrands", though Mark has something to share on that front. It's naughty (and perhaps duplicitous) for a rival stationary company to also name themselves after a bigger rival, if they've done that. It is, at best, ill-advised on their behalf.

[welch]

What is in question here? Mitsubishi Pencil Company bought Lamy. Mitsubishi belongs to a family of Japanese companies, called a "keiretsu" in my transliteration. That family of related companies makes stell and autos and operates a global bank. 

[RJS]

40 minutes ago, welch said:

What is in question here?

If Mitsubishi Pencil Co own Omas/Nahvalur etc. 

 

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Mitsubishi Pencil Company bought Lamy.

Agreed.

 

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Mitsubishi belongs to a family of Japanese companies, called a "keiretsu" in my transliteration. That family of related companies makes stell and autos and operates a global bank. 

Nope. That's a common misconception. They're absolutely separate.

[Mark from Yorkshire]

Hopefully they will answer the question themselves. I asked at both Omas and Nahvalur contact us. I am awaiting a response. Once I have it I will let everyone know. 🤞