Pen/Ink/Paper Trios

[Penguincollector]

Back to regular programming.  Pelikan Twist, F(?),  Edelstein Rose Quartz,  Chinese Sanrio notebook. I apologize for the rotated pictures, that happens sometimes.

 

 

[Bo Bo Olson]

Black and Red uses Oxford Optic 90g...a nice economical paper, that I always have a spiral note book or two of Optic or Clairefontaine Velot 90g, they are equal.

Just recently I was some sort of ink and pen combo, and on Optic it shaded better than on Clairefontaine Triomphe.

[USG]

On 3/20/2024 at 12:30 PM, Mercian said:

I shall have to put some drops of water on to the inscription in that book, and allow it soak in.
I am curious to see what results I get from this ‘chromatography’ experiment

 

The blot should run off turquoise.

[USG]

On 3/20/2024 at 12:40 PM, Mercian said:

One might also say that you don’t suffer from any kind of obsessive-compulsive disorder, but instead use your pens like a normal human being 😉

 

I tend towards the other end of the ‘bell-curve’.
I flush each of my pens very thoroughly whenever it runs out of ink (unless I am refilling it right away with the same ink).

But this is because I am an impulsive flibbertigget who switches capriciously between his pens and inks, and who likes to use iron-galls and pigment inks as well as dye-based inks.

 

Haha, great word Flibbertigget.  I used to be a flibbertigget but now I just buy X159s instead of washing out my pens every time I see a new ink.  It also has the bonus of being able to compare several inks on the same platform.

 

13 hours ago, Bo Bo Olson said:

Black and Red uses Oxford Optic 90g...a nice economical paper, that I always have a spiral note book or two of Optic or Clairefontaine Velot 90g, they are equal.

Just recently I was some sort of ink and pen combo, and on Optic it shaded better than on Clairefontaine Triomphe.

 

That's what I thought too.  A lot of similarities.  I like this paper.  It also might show a little more ink detail than Clairefontaine.

 

Although not nearly as good as Cosmo Snow or Iroful, it was able to pick up some "outlining", where Clairefontainte could not.

(Notice the faint outlining)

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[USG]

One Pen One Ink Two Papers:

This is a comparison between 2 new Notebooks. 

• An A5 Red n' Black with Optik Paper and
• An A5 Apica CD11 that just arrived today.

 

The pen is a Pilot 742 FA

The ink is Iroshizuku Ajisai

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(CluelessMe spelled Optik with a "C" instead of a "K")

 

I tried to make the paper whiter but I'm not sure it looks any better

 

 

[Bo Bo Olson]

That is like no Oxford Optic 90g paper I've ever seen. Where was it made, England, Spain, or Germany?

[Mercian]

43 minutes ago, USG said:

I used to be a flibbertigget but now I just buy X159s instead of washing out my pens every time I see a new ink.  It also has the bonus of being able to compare several inks on the same platform.

This post reminds me of a comment that was once made to me by a former colleague who was often sent for multiple-day ‘visits’ to far-flung sites.

He had got sick of washing-&-ironing his shirts at the start of any ‘field trip’, so he started buying a group of cheap ones from supermarkets, and then just taking one out of its packaging in the morning, and hanging it on the back of his hotel room’s shower screen to ‘remove’ any creases while he showered, before heading out to that day’s site.

 

Caveat lector:

my colleague eventually encountered the danger that lurks within this method: at some point one finds that one has amassed enough dirty shirts (or, in your case, X159s) to fill one’s house/cause one’s wife to consider filing for divorce! 

[USG]

23 minutes ago, Bo Bo Olson said:

That is like no Oxford Optic 90g paper I've ever seen. Where was it made, England, Spain, or Germany?

 

 

 

[Mercian]

32 minutes ago, Bo Bo Olson said:

That is like no Oxford Optic 90g paper I've ever seen. Where was it made, England, Spain, or Germany?

The upper image, with the crisp lines that one would expect, is the Optik.

The lower image, which shows spread/feather, is writing on Apica paper.

The ‘greyish’ colour of both papers is presumably an artefact of the idiosyncrasies of USG’s camera/lighting set-up.

[USG]

48 minutes ago, Mercian said:

Caveat lector:

my colleague eventually encountered the danger that lurks within this method: at some point one finds that one has amassed enough dirty shirts (or, in your case, X159s) to fill one’s house.....

 

Haha, I know, that might be a problem.  I started out marking them with strips of colored tape but eventually there were so many that I couldn't remember what the color codes were, so now I write the name of the ink on an Avery label and tape it to the pen.😁
OTOH they store in a lot smaller space than all my ink bottles.

 

What I want to do is to be able to write with a few inks at a time, and then go back to some of the inks I previously wrote with and compare them to the new inks.  I can't do that if the ink I want to compare it to was  washed out of the pen and replaced with something else.  CrazyMe. 😁

 

What I'm looking for atm are "outline" inks.

[USG]

1 hour ago, Mercian said:

The upper image, with the crisp lines that one would expect, is the Optik.

The lower image, which shows spread/feather, is writing on Apica paper.

The ‘greyish’ colour of both papers is presumably an artefact of the idiosyncrasies of USG’s camera/lighting set-up.

 

Yes, both papers are white.  The Optik is a bluish white when  compared to Clairefontaine and the Apica is a cream white leaning ever so slightly toward green when compared to Clairefontaine.

Sorry about the cell phone pics.

[Mercian]

1 hour ago, USG said:

What I'm looking for atm are "outline" inks.

Some people here call that behaviour ‘haloing’.

 

If you search for ‘inks that halo’ on…

 

https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=016372583718073050395:1rsitsemrpo

 

…you will find a few threads that discuss/include examples of inks that provide it.

Enjoy!

[USG]

 

41 minutes ago, Mercian said:

Some people here call that behaviour ‘haloing’.

 

If you search for ‘inks that halo’ on…

 

https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=016372583718073050395:1rsitsemrpo

 

…you will find a few threads that discuss/include examples of inks that provide it.

Enjoy!

 

OK I checked out a number of those links... this is an example of what they were calling Haloing.

 

Here is my example of Haloing:

 

 

That is not the effect I'm looking for.  I'm looking for this:  (Easy to see by eye, hard to photograph)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not a sheen, this is a sheen

 

 

 

[Mercian]

@USG - thank you for putting me right
 

I must add that I find it interesting that my own instinct would be to call the effect that other people have called ‘haloing’ - of ink pooling on the outer edges of letters, with those areas remaining only as a more-intense version of the same hue as the rest of the writing - by the name ‘outlining’…

 

…whereas the effect that you are looking for - an ink that gives a glowing/iridescent sheen on the outer edges of every letter written with it - is what that I would instinctively call ‘haloing’, in reference to the glowing/iridescent ‘haloes’ that are depicted on angels/saints in mediaeval church art.

 

But of course this is just another example of how my brain has always been wont to instinctively head in the opposite direction to everybody else’s 😁

[USG]

10 minutes ago, Mercian said:

@USG - thank you for putting me right
 

I must add that I find it interesting that my own instinct would be to call the effect that other people have called ‘haloing’ - of ink pooling on the outer edges of letters, with those areas remaining only as a more-intense version of the same hue as the rest of the writing - by the name ‘outlining’…

 

…whereas the effect that you are looking for - an ink that gives a glowing/iridescent sheen on the outer edges of every letter written with it - is what that I would instinctively call ‘haloing’, in reference to the glowing/iridescent ‘haloes’ that are depicted on angels/saints in mediaeval church art.

 

But of course this is just another example of how my brain has always been wont to instinctively head in the opposite direction to everybody else’s 😁

 

I didn't mean in any way to "put you right"....

 

And yes, I completely agree with you about the nomenclature, it should be in reverse, but when first I saw it, not knowing any better, I called it "outlining", completely unaware of the Holoing threads.  Now it's too late to change the terminology.

 

Anyway I tried to clean up the other 2 pics BBO remarked about and make the paper white, but I'm not sure it's an improvement.

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[Mercian]

2 minutes ago, USG said:

I didn't mean in any way to "put you right"...

Oh, I didn’t think you intended any kind of ‘slight’ against me - I expressed myself unclearly 

 

To be fair, over here it IS now waaay past the time at which any sensible person has gone to bed!

As such, I shall use this as a needful prompt to log-out of FPN, turn this device OFF, and hit the sack (before I say anything even more badly-phrased!) 😉

 

Slàinte,
M.

[Penguincollector]

  Today I had to switch pens because the nib on my AL-Star is too big for the Séyès ruling, so I used my new Platignum 14c Gold Nib Cartridge pen with a black proprietary cartridge. The notebook is an Oxford Optik France Open Flex Grands Carreaux A5 generously gifted to me by @Lithium466. It’s excellent paper. 
 

[Bo Bo Olson]

12 hours ago, Mercian said:

The upper image, with the crisp lines that one would expect, is the Optik.

The lower image, which shows spread/feather, is writing on Apica paper.

Wheeeee!!! Gooood !.

Our passed Penbi, who back in the old, olden days, of 15 or so years ago, was our Pelikan and MB expert....having a few of each.

Yes knowing about '50-65 semi-flex, the '82-97  regular flex, and modern made one an expert....back in the day.

 

She sent me an Oxford Optic school booklet of a 'dog falling over the sleeping fox' lines in some 20 inks.

That booklet was not available here but up Frankfurt....is now sometimes found here in Heidelberg.

 

I had just bought my 4th ink, Lamy turquoise which was once The Turquoise all were compared too. ...It was a nice enough ink, but rather blaaaa.

I then looked it up in Ink Reviews, and then there were only two reviews....and both of them showed Shading....but they were both using 90g paper.

 

The only 90g paper I had was that Oxford Optic 90g school booklet.

On that paper Lamy Turquoise ...suddenly became lively, and Shaded !!!

It took me a while to find some optic.

Oxford Optic 90g and Clairefontaine Velot` 90g spiral notebooks became got to have items to me.

I could see Red and Black over Liechturm(sp), if I had to work.

Back when I was working, Ikea supplied the workbook, and as a Ball Point Barbarian, I used free ball points.

[Lithium466]

6 hours ago, Penguincollector said:

  Today I had to switch pens because the nib on my AL-Star is too big for the Séyès ruling, so I used my new Platignum 14c Gold Nib Cartridge pen with a black proprietary cartridge. The notebook is an Oxford Optik France Open Flex Grands Carreaux A5 generously gifted to me by @Lithium466. It’s excellent paper. 
 

Yay for the Optik paper, Seyes ruling, and nice cursive!

That is one of my favourite paper. I wish they'd make a thinner version, but that made in France 90g was always their "signature" paper, when most brands in the Seyes ruled market were 80g (including Clairefontaine until they started competing).

Also the bicolor Seyes ruling 😍

[Bo Bo Olson]

No pictures. Last month to 6 weeks ago I did a test with 6 grays...having forgotten I had Edelstien Moonstone, a seventh.

 

In Lamy often don't sell it's new inks in Germany,at my B&M I broke my price limit and ordered MB Cool Gray, what was once was Oyster Gray.

 

Yesterday, I loaded Moonstone in my semi-nail M P-75.

Today, I loaded my Lamy Studio with the tad springier something 55 or 755 or so nib, B.

On Clairefontaine Triomphe 90g and Oxford Optic 90g.

Both shaded.

MB Cool Gray is a nice readable darker gray...in a B.

Moonstone is a tad darker where it shades, ...sharper...but it's in a M.

 MB Cool Gray, shades more on Oxford Optic, looks a bit better.

On Clairefontaine Triomphe, Moonstone looks that tad better; shading is close but Moonstone is 'sharper'.

 

Both inks are well worth having...if you have good to better papers.