Pen/Ink/Paper Trios

[Bo Bo Olson]

Thanks for the large views....and that 4001 Brilliant Brown...seems similar to old LE MB Carlo Collodi (I had in a pen just recently) .......something that never dawned on me that they were similar.

As soon as we go to a flea market and my corner of my library becomes free, I'll test the two of them.

[Penguincollector]

On 8/8/2024 at 3:33 AM, Lithium466 said:

That is very nice too...you're going to make me get some Konagi!

 Konagi is such an underrated ink. I can send you a sample if you’d like.

 

  @USG, you’ve inspired me to dig out the Cosmo Snow and test out my currently inked pens. I’ll do that tonight. 

[USG]

7 hours ago, Penguincollector said:

 @Lithium466 Konagi is such an underrated ink. I can send you a sample if you’d like.

 

  @USG, you’ve inspired me to dig out the Cosmo Snow and test out my currently inked pens. I’ll do that tonight. 

 

Gotta love that Cosmo Snow 😎

The many faces of Sailor Manyo Konagi

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[USG]

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7 hours ago, inkstainedruth said:

@USG......  <SINP>

And saw your scans of Manyo Konagi and Robert Oster Blue Water Ice and I would be interested in seeing a side by side of those two inks, since the sheen on both of them appears to be more pink than red.  

Not that I need more ink, of course.... 

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

 

 

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Hi ISR

I thought that would be interesting too.  Capturing the sheen, however, is dependent on at least 2 things.  The paper, the camera and the lighting.  I did my best to try to bring out the best examples on each paper but because there were so many samples, they may not be the best illustrations.

 

Blue Water Ice has a Pink sheen, Konagi is also Pinkish but leans toward Red.

 

Pen & Inks Used:

• Robert Oster Blue Water Ice - Jinhao X159 <M>
• Sailor Manyo Konagi - Sailor 1911KOP <M>

 

The papers sampled are:

• Kukuyo KB 64gsm
• OPTIK 90gsm
• Tomoe River S 52gsm
• Cosmo Snow 75gsm
• Iroful 75gsm

 

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[inkstainedruth]

Thanks!  

I had tried a sample of Blue Water Ice, but the paper I use for testing isn't the best and is pretty absorbent, so I got no sheen at all as far as I can remember.  Manyo Konagi definitely seems to have a lot more sheen.  

I thought it was interesting that most of the blue inks I've tried that DO sheen the sheen is definitely red, not pink.  Also interesting is that the sheen on Blue Water Ice is more of "haloing" effect (i.e., the outlining of pen strokes on paper that brings that sort of thing out).

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[lamarax]

Here's the promised Japanese-euro mashup. Not what I intended initially, as I thought I had this one inked up with KWZ Brown-Pink, but oh well 🙂

 

 

Paper is "new Chiffon cream", used by Yamamoto in their "Ro-Biki" notebooks. It's the smoothest uncoated paper out there, compared to the previously posted Graphilo and Takasago Premium.

 

More are coming, including the coveted OK Fools, Maruman Mnemosyne etc. I might make a trio with TR 68 gsm, as I gather this one's pretty much unobtainium by now (and I want to show off my awesome golden Hobonichi cover with it 😛)

[Mechanical]

This is humble yellow copy paper.  I recently installed a Cursive nib on my Lamy Vista.  The ink is Herbin Lierre Sauvage.

 

The cursive nib is an experiment, but I'm really enjoying it. I've been using it to write the marginalia in my notes... but once i take it out I find that I just want to keep writing with it. 

 

 

[lamarax]

1 hour ago, Mechanical said:

[...]The ink is Herbin Lierre Sauvage.[...]

 

See? That's why I'm a Herbin fanboi; just look at this beautiful shading... (on humble yellow paper) 🤩

[Mechanical]

2 hours ago, lamarax said:

 

See? That's why I'm a Herbin fanboi; just look at this beautiful shading... (on humble yellow paper) 🤩

I keep looking at all those other greens— but I just keep putting Lierre in my pens 🙂

[USG]

15 hours ago, inkstainedruth said:

Thanks!  

I had tried a sample of Blue Water Ice, but the paper I use for testing isn't the best and is pretty absorbent, so I got no sheen at all as far as I can remember.  Manyo Konagi definitely seems to have a lot more sheen.  

I thought it was interesting that most of the blue inks I've tried that DO sheen the sheen is definitely red, not pink.  Also interesting is that the sheen on Blue Water Ice is more of "haloing" effect (i.e., the outlining of pen strokes on paper that brings that sort of thing out).

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

@inkstainedruth @Penguincollector @Misfit @Lithium466 @Mercian

 

Hi ISR - 

The difficulty in being a lone experimenter is that you don't know if your results are valid until someone else reproduces them. 

 

I also have found that a lot of blue inks sheen in shades of red. 👍😀

 

The Sheen effect you see on Blue Water Ice is not the traditional "Haloing" effect, which was described as a solid outline, in the same color as the ink but darker, around the border of the letters, with the predominant ink color in the center. 

 

What you see on Blue Water Ice is something else that I refer to as "Outlining" which is more like a series of fuzzy glowing 'dots' in bright colors around the letters.

 

Slightly Darkened to better display effect

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Curiously, the term "Haloing" fits this new effect better and the term "Outlining" seems a more appropriate description of the original "Haloing".  It probably doesn't matter what they're called as long as it's recognizable that they are not the same effect.  One is a solid darker outline and the other Glows in bright colors.

 

You've seen blue inks that outline pink or red, here's an example that Outlines in the same color as the ink...

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Darkened show the effect

 

If we wanted to get technical, "Outlining", which is the effect I'm interested in, could even be classified as a subset of "Haloing".

 

It is also worth noting that the inks that display "Outlining" are not traditional sheening inks and only display this effect on certain papers like Cosmo Snow and Iroful, with the effect seemingly absent on Tomoe River, OPTIK, Clairfontaine, Kokuyo KB, and lesser papers which feather with some inks like Asa-Gao and Ajisai, such as Kokuyo notebooks, Stalogy, APICA and Maruman/Mnemosyne...

 

Replicated results to be posted later.

 

[USG]

Outline Experiments on Tomoe River Machine #9 and Cosmo Snow

 

(The Konagi has been in the pen for a while and the ink in the feed has concentrated a bit so it's showing more sheen than it usually does.  Normally the letters look bluer in the center)

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[Claes]

@USG

When you "develop" your photos -- have you got any tricks to keep the colours as true as possible?

I found that if I add too much contrast, the colours will go astray...

 

Have fun!
Claes in Lund, Sweden

 

[USG]

39 minutes ago, Claes said:

@USG

When you "develop" your photos -- have you got any tricks to keep the colours as true as possible?

I found that if I add too much contrast, the colours will go astray...

 

Have fun!
Claes in Lund, Sweden

 

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[Mark from Yorkshire]

Last night when doing my Journal that my Jacques Herbin Emeraude De Chivor shows a propensity on Cream coloured papers and japanese papers to shade a little reddish pink where there is a high saturation of shimmer particles and in the darker areas.

 

see below. I can't really see what I am describing in the attached. The midori when looked closely shows the reddish colour the European papers do not.

 

 

 

[USG]

5 minutes ago, Mark from Yorkshire said:

Last night when doing my Journal that my Jacques Herbin Emeraude De Chivor shows a propensity on Cream coloured papers and japanese papers to shade a little reddish pink where there is a high saturation of shimmer particles and in the darker areas.

 

see below. I can't really see what I am describing in the attached. The midori when looked closely shows the reddish colour the European papers do not.

 

 

 

 

I love that ink 👍😀.... 

I have some cell phone close ups on Cosmo Snow paper

 

 

 

[Mark from Yorkshire]

@USG that might of been an idea go in close on both my life notebook and midori glad it is not just me that is noticing it. I agree it is a really good ink.

[Penguincollector]

14 hours ago, Mechanical said:

This is humble yellow copy paper.  I recently installed a Cursive nib on my Lamy Vista.  The ink is Herbin Lierre Sauvage.

 

The cursive nib is an experiment, but I'm really enjoying it. I've been using it to write the marginalia in my notes... but once i take it out I find that I just want to keep writing with it. 

 

 

 

  This is such a good green. It’s like Crayola green at its brightest, and darkens nicely and the shading is superb. Green ink looks so good on yellow paper. If I am writing on Post-it notes or legal yellow paper I prefer green. It’s also great on crème paper. I’m glad to see that you like the cursive/ Hanzi nib, I have been meaning to get one for ages. 

[USG]

27 minutes ago, Mark from Yorkshire said:

@USG that might of been an idea go in close on both my life notebook and midori glad it is not just me that is noticing it. I agree it is a really good ink.

 

I haven't used it in a while, time for some new pics 😃

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[USG]

14 hours ago, Mechanical said:

This is humble yellow copy paper.  I recently installed a Cursive nib on my Lamy Vista.  The ink is Herbin Lierre Sauvage.

 

The cursive nib is an experiment, but I'm really enjoying it. I've been using it to write the marginalia in my notes... but once i take it out I find that I just want to keep writing with it. 

 

 

 

I don't have a cursive nib, how does it compare to a regular medium Lamy nib?

 

21 minutes ago, Penguincollector said:

 

  This is such a good green. It’s like Crayola green at its brightest, and darkens nicely and the shading is superb. Green ink looks so good on yellow paper. If I am writing on Post-it notes or legal yellow paper I prefer green. It’s also great on crème paper. I’m glad to see that you like the cursive/ Hanzi nib, I have been meaning to get one for ages. 

 

I really have to get back to my favorite green ink, vintage Pelikan 4001 Brillant Grun...  on YELLOW and CREAM paper... 👍😀

 

[Penguincollector]

@USG as usual, I loved the Konagi most right before the end of the fill. In your photos, it reminds me of Diamine Polar Glow. 

 

@Mark from Yorkshire, I have also noticed the pink sheen in EoC. I will have to try it out on different papers soon and show my work.