Pilot Custom 823 lubrication advice

February 13

3 hours ago, arcfide said:

I don't think it's true. I think the 823 has something along the lines of 2.2 or 2.5ml capacity in general.

I am not familiar with the Pilot Custom 823, so please let me know.

The specifications on the Pilot website for the current Pilot Custom 823 sold in Japan states that it has an ink inhalation volume of approximately 1.5ml.

Are the specifications different for export products?

I am interested because I have been involved in a thread about this fountain pen before.

https://www.pilot.co.jp/products/pen/fountain/fountain/custom823/

It can also be found here. (English.)

https://www.pilot-custom.jp/en/history/

P.S.

If there is a big difference in ink inhalation between the Japanese and overseas versions, then people who import from Japanese e-commerce sites should be careful.

Edited February 13 by Number99
Additions and deletion of extra links.

February 13

37 minutes ago, Number99 said:

I am not familiar with the Pilot Custom 823, so please let me know.

The specifications on the Pilot website for the current Pilot Custom 823 sold in Japan states that it has an ink inhalation volume of approximately 1.5ml.

Are the specifications different for export products?

I am interested because I have been involved in a thread about this fountain pen before.

https://www.pilot.co.jp/products/pen/fountain/fountain/custom823/

That's interesting. Huh. I really think it feels like more than 1.5ml, but far be it from me to argue too much with what the manufacturer quotes on that. If that's the case, then the capacity of PIlot's fountain pens without using a cartridge is 0.4ml (Con-40), 1.1ml (Con-70), 1.2ml (92), and the 823 at 1.5ml. That's still roughly one extra converter's worth, depending on how you count it.

I don't think the specifications are different internationally and locally.

February 13

1,5mL in one shot, from empty pen with dry feed, and 2.2mL+ with several manœuvres?

February 13

I can't do this because I don't own a pen, but it might be fun for someone who is interested to measure the amount of ink in a graduated syringe by performing an ink ejection operation after injecting ink into the pen.

😄

February 13

30 minutes ago, Number99 said:

I can't do this because I don't own a pen, but it might be fun for someone who is interested to measure the amount of ink in a graduated syringe by performing an ink ejection operation after injecting ink into the pen.

😄

I think this might be how Goulet pens gets their 2.55ml capacity measurement.

February 13

Hmmm...this YouTube program shows a second inking operation that is not described in the instruction manual.

It also shows a ticker that means that the first inhalation did not have enough ink prepared.

However, the ticker shows the ink inhalation amount as 1.5 ml.

I am not sure I understand...

I feel I got certain hints but I can't state because I might be wrong…

From the YouTube program "Looking at Pilot Custom 823" (パイロットカスタム823を眺める) by Penguin-do.

https://youtu.be/j0ZmZ8mm_8M?feature=shared

P.S.

The second inking operation performed in the YouTube program is not described in the instruction manual.

Therefore, I believe the manufacturer does not recommend this operation.

(I don't endorse it either, it's just a citation for reference only.)

Edited February 13 by Number99

February 13

8 hours ago, Number99 said:

The second inking operation performed in the YouTube program is not described in the instruction manual.

Therefore, I believe the manufacturer does not recommend this operation.

(I don't endorse it either, it's just a citation for reference only.)

The extra step is definitely an "invention" of the community and not something that is officially supported. I also don't endorse it at all, and never use that method myself. As long as you are able to anchor the pen properly, use a good technique and position, then you will get a pretty consistent, full fill with one stroke of the vacuum rod, and that's really the best option, IMO. If one wishes more ink than that, alternative pens should be sought; the second filling operation is just way too much work and too finicky, IMO.

February 14

Allow me to reassure you that the "second step" in the above video works just fine. However, when you invert the pen the second time you MUST be sure to hold the piston in place until you have the nib submerged, and THEN push it in again. Otherwise, it just pops up and spoils the operation. If done correctly, you will add between 30% - 50% more ink to the pen. I've been doing this for years and I have not detected any damage to any of my pens.