Falcon Mammoth Holder Demensions

[BenJoeM]

In a recent Ebay auction of dip pens and nibs, I found I had a Mammoth Falcon Holder.  It is just the metal section and was wondering if anyone has seen or has an idea of the dimensions of the wood handle.  I would like to have one made to finish the restoration of the pen holder. 

 

 

 

Edited January 5, 2024 by BenJoeM
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[Penguincollector]

 Brian Anderson’s blog has some numbers and photos that might help: 

Mammoth dip pen

[BenJoeM]

9 minutes ago, Penguincollector said:

 Brian Anderson’s blog has some numbers and photos that might help: 

Mammoth dip pen

Thanks, Yeah I saw this one, it is what had me on the hunt for the holder.

[Penguincollector]

  I think you can probably get in touch with Mr. Anderson and ask him questions about the holder, he and his wife are pretty good at answering questions. I got in touch on their retail site about some notebooks Mrs. Anderson made before they married and received an answer quickly. I don’t know if he visits the board regularly anymore, but he is listed as a moderator- try a PM or email. I’ve seen plenty of nibs, but holders are as rare as hens’ teeth. 

[BenJoeM]

1 hour ago, Penguincollector said:

  I think you can probably get in touch with Mr. Anderson and ask him questions about the holder, he and his wife are pretty good at answering questions. I got in touch on their retail site about some notebooks Mrs. Anderson made before they married and received an answer quickly. I don’t know if he visits the board regularly anymore, but he is listed as a moderator- try a PM or email. I’ve seen plenty of nibs, but holders are as rare as hens’ teeth. 

Thank you so much!

[Penguincollector]

No problem!

[BenJoeM]

From Brian's blog he measured it 6 3/4 and 2 3/8 just the holder.   My holder is also 2 3/8, so I will then say it is 4.375 inches long handle plus the piece that inserts into the holder.  Probably a 1/4 inch.

this will be a fun restoration project. 

For reference here is the original 1877 patent.

0194425-Esterbrook-Mammoth-Dip-Pen-Patent.pdf

[Aether]

Person to ask {from memory} is @AAAndrew. While in the past think they had a mammoth pen holder with pen. 

[AAAndrew]

He contacted me via my website (see my sig below) and here's what I sent him. 

 

I have a later example where the wooden part has exactly 5" of wood exposed. I don't know how far into the brass part the wood extends. The end taper is only 3/16th" wide. The taper doesn't really start until about 1.5" from the brass part then it begins to taper to the final diameter. I have both black painted and "mahogany" stained examples. I think the "mahogany" was earlier and the black was later because I have an original, first-year, set and the wood is stained, not painted.  

 

That's most definitely a Mammoth holder ferrule. The one I have on hand is steel. I think the earlier ones are brass. Here are photos I have of my first issue set. As you can see, the handle is stained and the brass is imprinted differently, including the patent date. (August 21, 1877)  They fairly quickly changed the imprint on the holder, and stopped selling it as a set. The last image is from their 1883 catalog, but the page is recycled from their earlier catalog. By 1883, it wasn't so "new" anymore and the packaging was different.