Parker in 2024

[TheRedBeard]

4 hours ago, Heinkle said:

As we approach the end of 2024, I would argue Parker are as irrelevant as ever in the fountain pen world. 

Not at all  it is especially incorrect statement for the ones who have been still using only Parker pens  

[Heinkle]

2 hours ago, TheRedBeard said:

Not at all  it is especially incorrect statement for the ones who have been still using only Parker pens  

again, I think you’re misunderstanding me - you may well be using Parker pens, but my point is, that is likely in spite of what Parker, as a brand, have done in 2024. I don’t think the company has done anything to dispel suggestions it is more than a legacy brand.

[TheRedBeard]

55 minutes ago, Heinkle said:

again, I think you’re misunderstanding me - you may well be using Parker pens, but my point is, that is likely in spite of what Parker, as a brand, have done in 2024. I don’t think the company has done anything to dispel suggestions it is more than a legacy brand.

I see your point, and there is no argument  

IMHO, Parker, as a brand, have done almost nothing in 21st Century...

There were a few discussions on that subject here...

So, 2024 makes no difference. 

[niuben]

On 1/31/2024 at 4:59 AM, Estycollector said:

重点是，永生是收购派克品牌并生产如今许多人想要的派克笔的良好候选人。 

It's impossible.Love from China:)

[niuben]

On 2024/2/5 at PM7点34分, mr T. said:

我认为这不是公平的评估。在 FPN 上看到的是，许多收藏家似乎只对老式 51 fp 感兴趣。出于某种怀旧情绪。目前唯一比派克更相关的钢笔品牌可能就是 Bic。在我居住的地方，与许多其他品牌（如 Pelikan 或 Montblanc）不同，派克 fp 可以在大多数 B&M 和网上商店找到。对于大多数人来说，比 Bic Cristal 更贵的钢笔是一种奢侈品，而派克仍然与奢华和品质联系在一起。因此，从数量上讲，入门级或中级 fp（如 Jotter、Jotter Originals 或 Vector XL）的销量可能会比任何 Montblanc fp 或 Pelikan fp（除了像“ Happy Pen ”或 Pelikano 这样的丑陋钢笔）都多。在我居住的地方，派克可能是瓶装墨水中最相关的品牌，因为它在大多数网上和 B&M 商店都有售，并且 Quink 墨水的性价比是市场上最好的之一。 

 

在我居住的地方，日本 fp 只在高端市场或“异国情调”市场（如漆器笔）中占有一席之地。日本的低端或中端 fp 以及专有墨盒或专有转换器等配件在这里并不常见，也并不普及。与 Quink、Rohrer&Klingner 或 Diamine 墨水相比，日本瓶装墨水（如 Iroshizuku 墨水）通常价格过高，在我看来不值得花钱。Pilot、Sailor 或 Platinum 等品牌似乎对欧盟市场并不感兴趣。然而，一些日本公司主导着自动铅笔市场（Pentel，由 Kotobuki 制造的 OEM 铅笔）。Parker 的唯一竞争对手是 Bic 和 Lamy。分销、价格和可用性决定了品牌的相关性，而不是“传统”。

 

Wing Sung 和其他中国品牌，如金豪或 Moonman，在欧盟对用户来说与 Pelikan、Pilot 或 Sailor 一样无关紧要。过去，大多数中国钢笔都是从 AliExpress 或 eBay 直接从中国卖家那里以极低的价格购买的。由于 2021 年欧盟增值税规则的变化以及国际邮政规则的变化，来自中国的钢笔变得更加昂贵。因此，像 Baoer 388、金豪 159 或金豪 X750 这样的钢笔将与 Jotter Originals fp 一样昂贵甚至更贵。自 2021 年以来，中国制造商不再具有竞争力。

 

 

确实如此。质量控制似乎是派克的致命弱点。 

原谅我使用中文... 日本钢笔对欧洲没有兴趣 是因为他们被万宝龙以倾销的理由起诉过，因此有很高的税。另外在中国，派克的名气甚至比万宝龙大

[Mark from Yorkshire]

On 10/31/2024 at 1:28 PM, niuben said:

Forgive me for using Chinese... Japanese pens are not of interest to Europe because they were sued by Montblanc for dumping, so they have high taxes. In addition, in China, Parker is even more famous than Montblanc.

Interesting, I did not know that, every day is a school day 😁

[welch]

Parker is as alive as any other fountain pen company, in this year and in the 21st century. All fountain pen companies are "legacy" companies.

 

There has not been an innovation in fountain pens since Parker released the cartridge/converter Parker 45 in 1960. (And, yes, it might have been based on an Eversharp design.). 

 

The "innovation" that is designed into most new pens is just varying sorts of decoration. Montblanc releases a new pen limited edition every year, and each is the same pen. 

 

 

[mazinger55]

On 12/15/2023 at 5:13 AM, gone said:

Personally I think Parker is a zombie brand. It was once the biggest pen manufacturer in the world with some great innovations, great quality and good value pens. It is now just a label applied to pens that have none of the qualities of the past.
 

Montblanc is now a mid-tier fashion brand that attaches the label to moderate quality pens and applies premium pricing to create an illusion of exclusivity whilst at the same time selling in almost every airport in the world.
 

Pelikan is essentially bankrupt and can't decide what it wants to be. While it is making up its mind it is cutting quality and increasing prices which seems to me to be the best way to accelerate down their road to ruin. 

agree with your point of view

[Heinkle]

8 hours ago, mazinger55 said:

agree with your point of view

the one thing I would say about Montblanc is that they still retain an after-market service function - you can send pens for repair. Parker stopped that a long time ago, and a nib exchange for them just means swapping the nib unit. If something doesn’t fall into the warranty, there is nothing you can do other than buy a new pen. So what you can’t do is send your older pens and get them repaired / polished.

[mr T.]

On 11/10/2024 at 10:42 AM, Heinkle said:

the one thing I would say about Montblanc is that they still retain an after-market service function - you can send pens for repair.

These repairs are not cheap. Accesories can be a problem with Montblanc. Montblanc did change a couple of years ago the size/length of their proprietary ballpoint refills. Older Montblanc ballpoints need a converter to use the newer size refills. However, that converter isn´t available anymore at the Montblanc webshop or at their dealers. There are converters available that are made bij third parties but not easy to find. So if I want to buy a refillable ballpoint in the future it will likely one that takes a 'Parker style´-G2 refill because in my opion I can not really trust the after-market service of Montblanc.

[mr T.]

On 10/31/2024 at 2:28 PM, niuben said:

原谅我使用中文... 日本钢笔对欧洲没有兴趣 是因为他们被万宝龙以倾销的理由起诉过，因此有很高的税。另外在中国，派克的名气甚至比万宝龙大

Indeed did Montblanc sue Sailor and Pilot in the past about the presumed copying of the shape of the 149 and putting the same number of trim rings on as the 149. More info about that case can be found here on FPN.

[niuben]

16 hours ago, mr T. said:

Indeed did Montblanc sue Sailor and Pilot in the past about the presumed copying of the shape of the 149 and putting the same number of trim rings on as the 149. More info about that case can be found here on FPN.

thank you for sharing! any way, they can't sell at a normal price.