Are these both J-series Estie pens?

[SLinkster]

I picked up the copper Estie as a nib donor. Sadly it is missing both jewels but it looks like they were black (bakelite? BHR?)

 

Anyhow, I noticed when I had my other two Esties out that the new pen is different. Are both these pens considered J-series pens? I've checked several online sources but can't find anything to suggest otherwise so thought I'd ask. 

 

Copper: length 124-125mm, without jewels

              cap dia ~13mm

              barrel dia ~11mm

 

Green: length ~119mm, without jewels

            cap dia ~ 12mm

            barrel dia ~10mm

 

The metal trim bits are visually the same but larger on the copper pen, and the clip has a decent curve while the green pen's clip is basically flat. 

 

Final difference, the copper pen has two b breather holes. One is aligned with the clip, the other is 90 degrees away. Only one breather hole in the green cap. 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by SLinkster
Autocorrect, the bane of my existence

[bsenn]

Yes. A good reference is on Richard Binders site  http://www.richardspens.com/ref/profiles/j.htm

[SLinkster]

58 minutes ago, bsenn said:

Yes. 

Many thanks. My searching did not turn up that site for some reason. Looks like I have a J - the copper pen missing its jewelsB and two SJ. 

[welch]

@SLinkster, Your copper pen looks like a full-J. I accumulated one or two like it when I was buying and re-sacking Esties about fifteen years ago. Is your copper open-ended or just missing the jewels? I think someone here mentioned a replacement for Esterbrook jewels.

 

(The Esterbrook was priced reasonably back then...every week, a guy named AppleJim and another older guy would offer renovated Esties on EBay, Always with a new sac, sparking, and with a 20xx nib unit. And a buy-it-now for about $20. I got my first Estie from AppleJim, a blue SJ. Ah, but now I'm getting nostalgic...)

[FarmBoy]

For reproduction Esterbrook jewels go to Midnight Pens and ask for Gary. 

[SLinkster]

6 hours ago, welch said:

copper open-ended or just missing the jewels?

Looks as if they've been removed, see additional photo. I honestly don't care that the jewels are missing. I'll have it re-sacced eventually, but as I said, I bought it (on the cheap) to get the 9461 nib.

 

4 hours ago, FarmBoy said:

Midnight Pens and ask for Gary. 

Found him on Etsy, thanks for the tip. 

[gweimer1]

On 11/27/2023 at 1:02 AM, SLinkster said:

Looks as if they've been removed, see additional photo. I honestly don't care that the jewels are missing. I'll have it re-sacced eventually, but as I said, I bought it (on the cheap) to get the 9461 nib.

 

Found him on Etsy, thanks for the tip. 

 

Are you the one who contacted me?   PM me here....I might be able to squeeze a couple jewels for you from my repair supply.

[SLinkster]

3 hours ago, gweimer1 said:

Are you the one who contacted me?   PM me here....I might be able to squeeze a couple jewels for you from my repair supply

Eeeeehhhhh I don't think I actually reached out via Etsy. I have terrible follow-through 😚