Parker 75 Cisele 1st Edition Model_Metal Threaded Section

[FPcollection]

Hi friends,

 

I have always admired the Parker 75 fountain pen and over a period of time, have collected a modest assortment of these in various finishes.

 

However, this one pen was eluding me for quite a while- the Parker 75 Cisele first year model with the metal threaded section.

 

Even a few years back, one could find one listed on eBay occasionally, but no longer the case these days. Seems they have become scarcer, and when they do appear, they are listed at unrealistic and astronomical prices which simply do not justify purchase.

 

Well, recently I have come across a supplier who has the same in mint condition and is asking for USD 300 shipped. 

 

Well, it is twice of what a regular model in mint condition and nearly thrice of what a nice user grade pen sells for.

 

I ask for your opinion, my friends, as to the offer I have at hand. 

 

Best regards,

SS 

[inkstainedruth]

Yikes!  That seems high -- but then I don't have an early (flat top) model, and I bought my 75 Cisele several years ago.  

I actually was more interested in "hunting the nib".  Mine has a B nib (most of the ones on eBay at the time had M nibs), and was definitely less expensive than the one with an F nib that I had dropped out of the bidding on shortly before (I was astounded that the one with the F nib went to something like $192 US but don't remember much beyond that about style and condition).  What amazed me the most was that (possibly because it was the later style tassie) that in spite of the nib, NOBODY was looking at the pen but me.  So I got it for the minimum bid, plus tax and shipping.  I did have to have some work done on it recently (there was some leaking from around the collar, and the sac in the squeeze converter had to be replaced, as well as the clutch fingers in the cap), so that adds to the overall price I paid -- but even *then* it was not $300 overall....

I don't know what to tell you, other than to check places like eBay for recent sales of early flat top Cisele 75s to see what the current market seems to be at.

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

 

[senzen]

Lately 75s seem to have become more common, at least on eBay, with prices coming down, so much so that a seller told me he wouldn't be selling them anymore as he couldn't make much money on them; lots of Ciselés from Japan but usually only in XF; rare editions, that's something else, $300 sounds "about right"? Not a great deal but buyers seem to pounce on them.

[FarmBoy]

I’d sell just a section with metal threads in the 150-200 range. Also note the clip and cap should be correctly configured for an early metal thread pen. 
 

[TheRedBeard]

P75 Silver Cisele with metal thread section in mint condition for US$300 (incl. shipping cost) is a real bargain.

I would buy it immediately if I come across such an offer... 

 

[FPcollection]

9 hours ago, inkstainedruth said:

Yikes!  That seems high -- but then I don't have an early (flat top) model, and I bought my 75 Cisele several years ago.  

Early flat top models are available at far lower prices. It is the early flat top along with the metal threaded section, which was made only till 1965, if I am not wrong, which are scarce.

[FPcollection]

8 hours ago, FarmBoy said:

Also note the clip and cap should be correctly configured for an early metal thread pen. 

If you could kindly explain a bit on this, would be very helpful.

[FPcollection]

I thank everyone for their feedback and opinion on the topic...it was extremely helpful.

[joss]

5 hours ago, FPcollection said:

If you could kindly explain a bit on this, would be very helpful.

 

The tassie on the first generation P75 had a notch where the top of the clip sits in. This configuration could lead to unwanted movement of the clip once the tassie became a bit loose. The correct first generation cap & tassie should look like this:

 

 

In the second generation P75 pens, the notch was moved from the tassie to the cap. This prevented any movement of the clip, even when the tassie was loose:

 

 

 

 

 

[FPcollection]

20 minutes ago, joss said:

The tassie on the first generation P75 had a notch where the top of the clip sits in. This configuration could lead to unwanted movement of the clip once the tassie became a bit loose.

I see!

Thanks a lot Joss!

[inkstainedruth]

+1 to what FPcollection said.

That's one of the reasons I love FPN so much -- the amazing collective depth of knowledge!  I learn stuff nearly every time I come on here.  

And of course I only have the later Ciselé with the dished tassie; I'm not a C-worder, so subtle nuances like this often escape me.

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[FPcollection]

...and the pen arrived today.

Just as the seller had described.

Providing some pictures herewith.

 @Joss Yes, the correct configuration of the clip and cap, indicative of the first edition.

And, yes, the metal threaded section.

Also, the feed marking. Unlike the later models, which have nib grade marked on the flat rectangular part close to the section end band, the first year model has the nib grade marked on the slant or the step down from the rectangular part (as in the picture).

 

Best regards

SS

Edited May 11, 2023 by FPcollection

[TheRedBeard]

On 5/11/2023 at 6:56 PM, FPcollection said:

...and the pen arrived today.

Just as the seller had described.

Providing some pictures herewith.

 @Joss Yes, the correct configuration of the clip and cap, indicative of the first edition.

And, yes, the metal threaded section.

Also, the feed marking. Unlike the later models, which have nib grade marked on the flat rectangular part close to the section end band, the first year model has the nib grade marked on the slant or the step down from the rectangular part (as in the picture).

 

Best regards

SS

Great pen... Congratulations!  

[TheRedBeard]

On 5/7/2023 at 9:30 AM, joss said:

 

The tassie on the first generation P75 had a notch where the top of the clip sits in. This configuration could lead to unwanted movement of the clip once the tassie became a bit loose. The correct first generation cap & tassie should look like this:

 

 

In the second generation P75 pens, the notch was moved from the tassie to the cap. This prevented any movement of the clip, even when the tassie was loose:

 

 

 

 

 

Very useful information, many thanks for sharing it!

 

[FPcollection]

23 hours ago, TheRedBeard said:

Great pen... Congratulations!

Thank you!