Lamy 2000 vintage with red L, who can help me?

[Mastromaximo]

Dear friends

I've been wondering for a long time now when Lamy produced these macrolon fountain pens with the red L on the piston knob.

I've searched everywhere, I've read every treatise, but I've got nothing.

I certainly know that the pens produced in the very first years (1966,67,68) had the black logo.

Is there any friend here who can give me some suggestions?

[Mercian]

If I were you I would contact Lamy about this.

 

I have recently seen another thread in which a member had a specific question about an old Lamy pen, and the company was able to answer it for him.

 

This is one advantage of the company having always been specifically a maker of pens, and having remained in the same location (as opposed to having been bought-out or sold-to different large Corporations and moved around).

 

They still have access to their own full archives, and so still have access to information about their formerly-produced models.

[Mastromaximo]

You're right, I thought about that too.

You convinced me, I will now. Let's hope they answer..

[Mercian]

8 hours ago, Mastromaximo said:

You're right, I thought about that too.

You convinced me, I will now. Let's hope they answer..

👍

If/when they do answer your query, please do let us know what they tell you.

 

Slàinte,

M.

[Mastromaximo]

12 hours ago, Mercian said:

👍

Se/quando rispondono alla tua domanda, facci sapere cosa ti dicono.

 

Slainte,

M.

Surely! As detailed as possible!

[Mastromaximo]

On 26/3/2023 at 17:47, Mercian said:

👍

Se/quando rispondono alla tua domanda, facci sapere cosa ti dicono.

 

Slainte,

M.

I'm a little sad. It's been two weeks and Lamy hasn't answered my questions.😔 They won't do it again. But they fixed my broken Lamy2000 for free twice, so ... I forgive them!🥰

[jchch1950]

No answer yet?

[Mastromaximo]

Still nothing for the moment 😩

[Astronymus]

I've heard it sometimes takes time. I guess they don't have people sitting around just waiting for the next question. You are probably in a queue.

[ralfstc]

One of mine is a red L too! I assume, from what I've read, that the red L was the late 60s, just before the L disappeared, era, but I don't have a source for that . . . 

 

Cheers,

 

Ralf

[Mastromaximo]

Ancora nessuna notizia. Dall'ufficio di Heidelberg hanno risposto che non hanno archivi. Mi garantiscono solo che nessuna penna Lamy 2000 è mai uscita con il logo della L rossa ....
Mi sembra tutto così strano.

[Astronymus]

Which brings up the question: is the color really red, or has the print oxidized in a curious way and is now red instead of black?

[Mastromaximo]

4 hours ago, Astronymus said:

Il che fa sorgere la domanda: il colore è davvero rosso o la stampa si è ossidata in modo curioso e ora è rossa invece che nera?

This is really a suggestive hypothesis dear Astronymus! But I don't know the oxidative processes of the inks used to write that "L".
The question that arises at this point is why pens from 1966 have a black logo and those from the 80s have a red logo?

But I really like your hypothesis!

[Astronymus]

I was just thinking, if they say, there were no red Ls, then why is it red now. A chemical reason? Misprint perhaps? Without excluding that LAMY's own archives might be incomplete.

[Mastromaximo]

19 hours ago, Astronymus said:

I was just thinking, if they say, there were no red Ls, then why is it red now. A chemical reason? Misprint perhaps? Without excluding that LAMY's own archives might be incomplete.

A discoloration due to chemical degradation would not be so uniform, sharp in the contours.. there would be spots. However, your hypothesis remains the most valid.

[Astronymus]

30 minutes ago, Mastromaximo said:

A discoloration due to chemical degradation would not be so uniform, sharp in the contours.. there would be spots. However, your hypothesis remains the most valid.

Spots might merge sooner or later though.

I found this picture in an ebay listing:

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/354646061922

 

When I analyse the L with the browser pipette it definitely has a reddish hue. 🤔

[Mastromaximo]

1 hour ago, Astronymus said:

Spots might merge sooner or later though.

I found this picture in an ebay listing:

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/354646061922

 

When I analyse the L with the browser pipette it definitely has a reddish hue. 🤔

.. a partial discoloration then. not a real red color

[jungkind]

I would add my voice to degradation

[Mastromaximo]

19 hours ago, jungkind said:

I would add my voice to degradation

this is very convincing! At this point, only one question remains: what causes a black L to remain black for 54 years and another to degrade after 20?

[Astronymus]

Without knowing the chemical composition of the paint? Impossible to answer.