torah scroll writing

[inkstainedruth]

13 hours ago, Stompie said:

 

You are one VERY interesting person you know!  👍

Not especially.  I just know interesting people....

Actually I guess I'm more interesting now than I used to give myself credit for being.  We used to watch CBS Sunday Morning and there was a recurring segment called "Everybody Has a Story" where they'd send a reporter and a camera crew to some random town on a map, and then pick a name at random out of the phone book when they got there, and interview the people whose names got picked.  And for the longest time I'd watch those segments and go, "Uh, I'm only interesting because of people I know or have met...." (Like my mother, who was a published author -- and both my parents were world travelers).

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[inkstainedruth]

3 hours ago, alexwi said:

Indeed, but for Christmas I'm going to send Ruth a box of paragraph breaks 😉

Okay, I do tend to run off at the mouth sometimes.  

My mom said once that the children of talkers either compete or just clam up.  And I competed.... 

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[dms525]

6 hours ago, seymour said:

Hi all

 

I just noticed this topic today. The discussion was very interesting.

 

However, there was a small inaccuracy. Aramaic is not derived from Hebrew. It is true that there is considerable classical Jewish literature in Aramaic such as both the Babylonian and Palestinian Talmuds. At some stage Aramaic had a similar status as an international language as has English today. There are a variety of Aramaic dialects (including Syriac) and it is still a spoken language today (though not widely).

 

Good luck with the writing

 

Chaim 

 

Thank you for pointing this out. I have had an incorrect concept of Aramaic for a long time. 

 

Here is a link to the Wikipedia article on this very interesting language's history: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDcQw7AJahcKEwjo4PvL7qz9AhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAg&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAramaic&psig=AOvVaw0SID0huoIdniMRBD_zj3Fk&ust=1677283581154350

 

David

 

[ParramattaPaul]

On 10/2/2022 at 9:35 PM, Frank C said:

I find this topic fascinating.

Same here, and I'm a Catholic.

[HikerIsaac]

i find it interesting that this has turned into a discussion about aramaiic/ladino/yiddish, but to update on the original post i modified my feed by widening the airflow so the ink comes down faster. in addition i have hired someone to make a .stl file for me so i can 3d print a plastic or ceramic nib that meets my halachic and handwriting requirements and i will update y'all when i can. this is the new project i started with the modified feed

[JulieParadise]

4 hours ago, HikerIsaac said:

 

Wow, this looks amazing. 

(Now I will bury my Hebrew lecture notes from 2 decades ago in shame ... )

[OCArt]

Oh my! How can or what kind of pen is used to write both the broad strokes and the tiny ascending lines of the "crown" at the top of the letter?

[JulieParadise]

36 minutes ago, OCArt said:

Oh my! How can or what kind of pen is used to write both the broad strokes and the tiny ascending lines of the "crown" at the top of the letter?

 

Well, I did something like that for Fidel (Ethiopic) writing with a 1.5 mm Pilot Parallel Pen and -- a bit less pronounced -- with nibs like a Sailor Music nib or a Pelikan IB, also a very stubby OBB of a vintage Montblanc 342g and the BB of a Montblanc 142 BB. The important thing is that you use a nib that has a spot with which small/slim strokes are possible, either by moving it at a certain angle (like sidestrokes with a stub/italic nib or downstrokes with an architect/Hebrew grind) or having a nib that is capable of reverse writing with a second & finer point.

 

So: It is possible. The Pilot PP seems to be the most practical option that I could think of.

 

Maybe @HikerIsaac lets us know what pen was used?

[txomsy]

22 hours ago, HikerIsaac said:

i have hired someone to make a .stl file for me so i can 3d print a plastic or ceramic nib that meets my halachic and handwriting requirements

I am amazed by your ingenuity, and would certainly very much welcome knowing the outcome of your 3D nib printing experiments. That could open a whole new road to nib creativity and expression in writing.

 

Actually I made a quick search and found that some Chinese company makes ceramic nibs, but they look too thick to my eye, although they might have some applications as @JulieParadise explains.

 

 

[HikerIsaac]

On 2/26/2023 at 10:18 PM, JulieParadise said:

 

Well, I did something like that for Fidel (Ethiopic) writing with a 1.5 mm Pilot Parallel Pen and -- a bit less pronounced -- with nibs like a Sailor Music nib or a Pelikan IB, also a very stubby OBB of a vintage Montblanc 342g and the BB of a Montblanc 142 BB. The important thing is that you use a nib that has a spot with which small/slim strokes are possible, either by moving it at a certain angle (like sidestrokes with a stub/italic nib or downstrokes with an architect/Hebrew grind) or having a nib that is capable of reverse writing with a second & finer point.

 

Maybe @HikerIsaac lets us know what pen was used?

i started by modifying a twisby go with a stub nib to oblique (40 degrees) that i thinned a little and sharpened the corners. i use a table on an angle (27 degrees) and i write with the wide part of the nib facing the left side of the page so i get thick side strokes and thin up/down strokes, and rotate the pen slightly to only use the sharp corner when i want to add serifs or crowns. i engraved a channel in the feed to the corner of the nib that i use so i get ink down there too and not just on the center of the nib. In addition,I broke off two fins all the way at the top of the feed to facilitate more airflow and widened the space between the tines to .2mm for ink flow as the ink is quite thick.

[JulieParadise]

8 minutes ago, HikerIsaac said:

i started by modifying a twisby go with a stub nib to oblique (40 degrees) that i thinned a little and sharpened the corners. i use a table on an angle (27 degrees) and i write with the wide part of the nib facing the left side of the page so i get thick side strokes and thin up/down strokes, and rotate the pen slightly to only use the sharp corner when i want to add serifs or crowns. i engraved a channel in the feed to the corner of the nib that i use so i get ink down there too and not just on the center of the nib. In addition,I broke off two fins all the way at the top of the feed to facilitate more airflow and widened the space between the tines to .2mm for ink flow as the ink is quite thick.

 

Oh, wow, that sounds like you know what you're doing. 😉 Thank you for the explanation! 

 

Is there a place in teh interwebs where you show more of your scroll writing? I'd love to see more! 

[HikerIsaac]

4 minutes ago, JulieParadise said:

Is there a place in teh interwebs where you show more of your scroll writing? I'd love to see more! 

not really i just started writing on parchment so this is my second scroll. i put some as an attachment to this.

these pictures are of different pages of the first one i did while experimenting with defferent pen shapes and humidity levels etc. and working on my handwriting.

proof of "practice makes perfecter"

[JulieParadise]

@HikerIsaac Stunning! Thank you for showing!

[Gloucesterman]

4 hours ago, JulieParadise said:

@HikerIsaac Stunning! Thank you for showing!

+1

[txomsy]

Ditto. Amazing and bold. Both, the script and the tuning.

[Anne-Sophie]

 

Stunningly beautiful!

[Anne-Sophie]

On 2/21/2023 at 11:42 AM, seymour said:

Hi all

 

I just noticed this topic today. The discussion was very interesting.

 

However, there was a small inaccuracy. Aramaic is not derived from Hebrew. It is true that there is considerable classical Jewish literature in Aramaic such as both the Babylonian and Palestinian Talmuds. At some stage Aramaic had a similar status as an international language as has English today. There are a variety of Aramaic dialects (including Syriac) and it is still a spoken language today (though not widely).

 

Good luck with the writing

 

Chaim 

 

Chaim, are you ok?

[Prof Drew]

On 2/22/2023 at 2:24 PM, inkstainedruth said:

Ladino

 

Hi again @inkstainedruth, there is a wonderful album of Ladino music on original instruments. Check out Jordi SAVALL or his HSYPERION XX or HSYPERION XXI. Beautiful music and amazing musicians.

 

[Prof Drew]

On 3/5/2023 at 12:33 AM, HikerIsaac said:

second scroll.

Gorgeous scroll, but as another FPN member pointed out it isn't kosher if you don't do a million steps. The Jewish Catalog (sort of 1970s Whole Earth Handbook) had a chapter on how to be a sofer. Perhaps a bit dated, but I know a friend followed it. Zai gezunt!

[inkstainedruth]

21 hours ago, Prof Drew said:

 

Hi again @inkstainedruth, there is a wonderful album of Ladino music on original instruments. Check out Jordi SAVALL or his HSYPERION XX or HSYPERION XXI. Beautiful music and amazing musicians.

 

Thanks for posting the link.  Haven't had a chance to listen to it yet, though, because my husband is sound asleep in his chair here in the LR and I don't want to wake him up (I turned the TV off when I went to get myself some dinner for the same reason).

A friend of ours (one of the couple my husband was gaming with earlier today) converted to Judaism and she's the one who found the Salmon Rossi pieces the choir did a few years ago.  Don't remember now if they were religious or secular pieces, or what language(s) they were in (I seem to recall one being in Italian, but I may be wrong about that, and I'm not sure which 3 ring binder(s) the sheet music for those ended up in (I've got the music organized by title, not by composer), and which pieces were deemed "repertory" by the current person running thing -- we are talking over 35 years worth of music at this point.

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth