Any ideas brought this waterman ideal fountain pen and can’t find it anywhere

[Jonny999]

[Z man]

It's difficult to tell from the top photo, but there could be hallmarks near the end of the barrel. If so, those could help with determining who made the overlay and a date range. Also, what is the filler system, e.g., eyedropper, lever, cartridge, etc.? That might also help.

 

HTH,

Z

[Jonny999]

Hi thanks for your reply the Hallmarks are for 1907 lion - leopard - date letter M with regards to the filler system I’ve no idea to be honest , no lever system any idea for the date ?

[Jonny999]

Also letters F D W probably a maker 

[I-am-not-really-here]

Sterling silver straight cap, eyedropper, Line and Dot pattern, also called Commercial.  Looks like a 402 or a 404.  

[Jonny999]

Great thanks where would I find more info on it , can’t find another , what sort of value ?

[I-am-not-really-here]

Use the Forum's search function.  Or Google.  Your search results should  include prior sales so that should help establish a range of possible values.  
 

For general background knowledge, nothing beats manufacturer's catalogs - 

 

https://archive.org/details/WatermanFountainPenCatalogs/Waterman Pen Catalog 1885/

 

 

[shalitha33]

I'm no waterman expert so I could be very wrong. profile looks wrong for a 404 as the cap is too long or the barrel is too short for the standard straights cap barley corn.

Its either a tapered cap 424 or a chatelaine 404v with the case missing. likely post globe. No clue if there was a standalone 404v

 
Waterman Fountain Pen Catalog 1902

Edited August 1, 2022 by shalitha33
404v as shown in 1908 catalog

[FarmBoy]

The original scan of the 1902 Waterman catalog can be found in the PCA library. 
 

https://pencollectorsofamerica.org/reference-library/waterman/

 

[joss]

On 7/31/2022 at 9:02 PM, Jonny999 said:

Also letters F D W probably a maker 

 

FDW was in fact the owner of the factory: FDW = Frank Dan Waterman