Pelikan 4001 Brilliant Black 62.5ml vs 1000ml bottle comparison anyone

[bob-cratchit]

A number of years ago I purchased a bottle of Pelikan Brilliant Black fountain pen ink in a square bottle with a ridge in the bottle because I liked the bottle but never actually got around to using the ink, as I always used Noodlers Black bulletproof ink or Heart of darkness, but only recently realised that the problem I was having of my black pen (a pen that I only use black ink in) was flooding and creating a thicker line than I liked as I write with an Extra Fine Nib as is my pleasure, and the mess that I was getting was annoying me, as much as I tried I could not tune the nib to be dryer in use, I decided to strip the pen down and wash all the components in the Ultra sonic cleaner then reassemble!

As I was in  a mind to try fitting some other nibs to the pen (standard #6) and did not want to waste my noodlers as I was expecting to keep flushing out and trying various nibs a number of times and I did not want to waste the Noodlers HOD I decided to use the pelican ink in the nice bottle.

I filled the pen after reassembly still fitted with its original EF nib and it wrote perfectly a beautiful fine line as I like, I was happy but initially put it down to the cleaning of the pen, wrote the pen dry and filled it with my HOD and it flooded once more, emptied it flushed and re filled with the Pelikan 4001 Brilliant Black and it wrote perfect once more, therefore I am guessing that I have a new black ink to use in the “Black Pen” (Conid Regular Bulkfiller)

Now the “Blackness” of the Pelikan 4001 Brilliant Black is fine, but the Noodlers HOD I perceive to be blacker which I preferred, but I prefer the extra fine line to the blackness if I must!

But my Question to all you buff’s :- as I have noticed that Amazon sell 1000ml bottles of the Pelikan 4001 Brilliant Black although they advertise it as Deep Black but the illustrated bottle in the listing is that of a Brilliant Black ink, so I am guessing as I can find no information to the contrary that there exists a 4001 Deep Black that the only black in the 4001 range is Brilliant Black that it must be the one and the same, but in some of the reviews on the UK site state that it is more of a grey in colour, so here it is the big Question Is the ink in the 1000ml bottle the same as in the 62.5ml bottles or the old 50ml bottles as I have?

Who has tried the litre bottles of 4001 Brilliant black and do they find it black enough?

Still a shame about my Noodlers bulletproof Black I did like it.

Thanks

Bob

[A Smug Dill]

The lack of punctuation is worse for readability than a firehose of a nib-and-feed assembly flooding the page with ink but that problem can be more readily addressed by just paying attention and using good judgment no buying and or changing inks necessary!

 

I have never heard of Pelikan 4001 Deep Black as the name of a retail product. If in doubt, don't buy from Amazon, but source the ink from an authorised Pelikan retailer that operates independently of Amazon, eBay, etc. — and ask them directly which ink the one-litre bottle contains, and wait for the proper reply, before placing your order.

[Karmachanic]

Pelikan 4001 Brilliant Black is Pelikan 4001 Brilliant Black.   If it's black enough for you it's black enough for you.  It's black enough for me, and has been keeping company with a MB 234 1/2 for several years.

A litre of ink will fill your Conid 400 times .

[lapis]

Yup, 4001 Brilliant Black (or Brillant Schwarz as they write it) is one and the same ink, whether it's in their 30, 62.5 or 1000 ml bottles. BTW the 1000-ml bottles are only available for that black or their Königsblau (Royal Blue).

[dipper]

6 hours ago, bob-cratchit said:

A number of years ago I purchased a bottle ......

If that was more than a few years ago then buying and testing one small bottle would check that the ink formulation has not changed. Could be a wise step before splurging on a whole litre.

 

Decades ago I was a fan of some old-stock Pelikan "FountIndia" ink. But then the Pelikan bottle label design changed, and the ink changed also - feathering badly on papers where the older version had not feathered at all.

I am glad that I did not buy a whole litre of the newer version!

[Ron Z]

I buy my ink in the liter bottles.  I use a lot of ink, almost all of it royal blue, but I have some black for use at pen shows.  The black is not as dense a black as Aurora, i.e. it is an average black.  The black and royal blue are good, reliable inks.

[ErrantSmudge]

Your experience with Noodler's Heart of Darkness is not unique.  It is very black, and it is permanent, but it does spread quite a lot on the page.  It makes my TWSBI Eco with M nib write like a B.  I keep a pen filled with HoD for times when I need a permanent ink.

[bob-cratchit]

Thank you all for your 6 penny's worth on the subject of the 1 litre bottles of Pelikan 4001 Brilliant black that is being listed as Deep Black on Amazon, Acording to the blurb that Pelikan put out in their marketing the formulas for the range of 4001 inks HAVE NOT changed in well over a century, but I do take your point that companys do change formulas?

Mey intension was to enquire if anyone had actually tried the 1 litre bottles of Pelikan 4001 Brilliant Black/Deep Black being sold by amazon, where as dipper is comparing the use of an India ink which is not an ink used in fountain pens in any case, reaching out as I am I am only trying to establish if it is in fact the same ink per say!

I know that under the 4001 formulation there is no other black than Brilliant black, and there is therefore a question as to why they are listing it as Deel Black and displaying a bottle clearly with the lable reading Brilliant Black, or is it just a typo on their part? and the manufacturers part number or 301168 does seam to tally with Pelikan inks.

So if any of you have actually purchased and used the Amazon 301168 pelikan 4001 Brilliant black and have a comparison against teh smaller bottles please let me know, otherwise I suppose I may conduct the test myself in the interest of sharing.

And thank you for your confermation lapis on them being the same, but you did not confirm if you have tried them yourself?

 

Happy Writing

Bob 

[A Smug Dill]

 

It doesn't seem very sensible to me to open and use my one-litre bottle when I'm still not done with my 62.5ml bottle (that I sourced from elsewhere).

 

22 minutes ago, bob-cratchit said:

otherwise I suppose I may conduct the test myself in the interest of sharing.

 

Oh, please do.

 

[lapis]

6 hours ago, bob-cratchit said:

.... And thank you for your confirmation lapis on them being the same, but you did not confirm if you have tried them yourself?

Well, I did try them both (both the 30-ml and the 1-litre jobs of both colours -- as well as the 62.5-ml bottles, too). But that was about two decades ago. I imagine that they are still all in the same boat today, but have no proof thereof....

[Inkysloth]

I have Brilliant Black in 30ml, 62.5ml, and 1000ml bottles and they all seem identical to me. 

 

(I use the ink for calligraphy practice. It's the most well behaved fountain pen ink with dip nibs, so the litre bottle seemed like a no-brainer when I was given an Amazon voucher!)