Nib questions

[Paul-in-SF]

I have a few Pelikans, vintage and modern, but I don't know a lot about Pelikans in general. So recently I acquired some older Pelikan nibs, pretty much on impulse. Here are some of them.

 

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They all seem to have the same housing. I tried them in my pens, and the only ones where they seemed to fit is a 120 Type II (I don't know what the Type II refers to, it's information the seller provided), and two Senators (a Windsor and an older model that I don't know the name of). They don't fit my 140, 400NN, nor any of the more modern ones I have. So I am interested to know what other Pelikan models these would fit? 

 

Also, as a secondary and more general question, if I wanted to swap nibs between this housing and a more modern housing (say a M400 or M600), is that possible, and how difficult is it?

[amberleadavis]

I'm looking forward to learning more!

[Paul-in-SF]

Well, I did learn what a Type II Pelikan 120 is -- it's one made by Merz & Krell, who also probably made the Senators, so that makes it less of a coincidence that they use the same nib housing. And it doesn't look too good for this housing fitting any other non-M & K Pelikans. 

[amberleadavis]

Do the reform nibs fit into Pelikans?

[Paul-in-SF]

8 hours ago, amberleadavis said:

Do the reform nibs fit into Pelikans?

 

Sorry, I'm not clear, are you asking about Esterbrook reform nibs? If so, I just tried one and it was a very different housing so it didn't fit. 

 

edited to add: sorry, the Esterbrook nibs are Renew, not reform, so my mistake. That said, if there are Reform pens, I don't have any to try out. Maybe someone else does. 

 

further edited: I forgot, I did have a new Reform pen once and the nib unit did not fit one of my Senator pens as the nibs in the above photo do (I found a post by me about this). I did not try it in any of my Pelikans, and I no longer have the pen. 

[amberleadavis]

On 5/6/2022 at 2:47 PM, Paul-in-SF said:

I have a few Pelikans, vintage and modern, but I don't know a lot about Pelikans in general. So recently I acquired some older Pelikan nibs, pretty much on impulse. Here are some of them.

 

yy

 

They all seem to have the same housing. I tried them in my pens, and the only ones where they seemed to fit is a 120 Type II (I don't know what the Type II refers to, it's information the seller provided), and two Senators (a Windsor and an older model that I don't know the name of). They don't fit my 140, 400NN, nor any of the more modern ones I have. So I am interested to know what other Pelikan models these would fit? 

 

Also, as a secondary and more general question, if I wanted to swap nibs between this housing and a more modern housing (say a M400 or M600), is that possible, and how difficult is it?

 

Well, after all that, I guess it was Rotring and I thought they looked like a similar housing.

[Paul-in-SF]

Ah. It does, but at a minimum I think the Rotring thread is coarser than the ones I got. 

 

I'm still hoping to hear some wisdom about swapping nibs from one type of Pelikan housing to another...

[OCArt]

39 minutes ago, Paul-in-SF said:

I'm still hoping to hear some wisdom about swapping nibs from one type of Pelikan housing to another...

I've not done it but doubt you'd have any trouble. 

[Runnin_Ute]

Correct, the 120 Type II is also known as the Merz and Krell. Made from 1974-1978. They do not fit the 1950's 120 or any modern one either for that matter. There is also a 400NN that was made by Merz and Krell. More expensive than other 400NN's.

[Paul-in-SF]

On 5/11/2022 at 9:00 PM, OCArt said:

I've not done it but doubt you'd have any trouble. 

 

Well, I tried it. Swapped one of these nibs into an M600 nib unit, and it seems to fit, and write, fine. It's a semi-flexy Fine so a fairly different experience from the original very firm Fine, and that's what I was hoping for. 

[OCArt]

@Paul-in-SFSuper! I'm glad to hear it worked for you and I may consider doing the same but in a M200 nib.

[OMASsimo]

If I‘m not mistaken, the threads of the nib housings of all original Pelikans are interchangeable but maybe not with Merz&Krell ones. But 400 and larger nib units would not fit into a 140 due to the shorter inner cap.