Stub O'Day Part Two

[Misfit]

@dms525 the colors in your pen are so nice. I like the looks of that pen. 
 

@Detman101 I think Kaweco Caramel Brown is more brown. Maybe look at some reviews as I can’t guarantee I get the right colors when I use the iPhone to take photos.  

[Detman101]

20 minutes ago, Misfit said:

@dms525 the colors in your pen are so nice. I like the looks of that pen. 
 

@Detman101 I think Kaweco Caramel Brown is more brown. Maybe look at some reviews as I can’t guarantee I get the right colors when I use the iPhone to take photos.  

Good copy, I will verify with other reviews prior to purchase.

[Misfit]

New pen, and a sample of an ink I’ve tried from a cartridge that came in a twist container. The pen is a bit darker in the photo than real life. 
 

[dms525]

Tired of waiting for Pilot to sell a Custom 823 with a Stub or Music nib, I bought one with a Broad nib and had it ground to Cursive Italic. I'm happy with it.

 

 

 

David

[Misfit]

@dms525 smart of you. It looks like a great writer. 

[sketchstack]

@dms525 Very nice. I've swapped nibs from the 743 onto my 823 which opens up a lot of options. However I simply don't care for Pilot's stubs. 

 

I can't find a clear reference at the moment but I thought that Pilot intends to create size 15 nibs in their new Signature style. Which is a stub-like experience from what I can tell. Again, I can't find definitive information right now but I could have sworn they're going to release it not only in the US but as part of the 823 lineup. 

[dms525]

2 hours ago, sketchstack said:

@dms525 Very nice. I've swapped nibs from the 743 onto my 823 which opens up a lot of options. However I simply don't care for Pilot's stubs. 

 

I can't find a clear reference at the moment but I thought that Pilot intends to create size 15 nibs in their new Signature style. Which is a stub-like experience from what I can tell. Again, I can't find definitive information right now but I could have sworn they're going to release it not only in the US but as part of the 823 lineup. 

 

I can confirm that Pilot is releasing a <S> (Signature) nib for the C823. My thread in the Japanese pen forum has photos of this nib. I have asked a Pilot vendor to have his nib technician evaluate it for me, if they get one in. 

 

David

[Misfit]

I filled the green Pilot Prera Iro-Ai today, and the blue one recently. Both have CM nibs. The paper is old Tomoe 52gsm. 

Vanness Pens replied to my email that they would get Kobe 135 Blue Cosmo back in stock, but had no date for it. 
 

 

[penwarrior32]

On 4/17/2024 at 7:08 AM, Misfit said:

I filled the green Pilot Prera Iro-Ai today, and the blue one recently. Both have CM nibs. The paper is old Tomoe 52gsm. 

Vanness Pens replied to my email that they would get Kobe 135 Blue Cosmo back in stock, but had no date for it. 
 

 

Looks good on the TR paper. 

 

[Doc Dan]

Has anyone used a Lamy 2000 oblique nib? How smooth is it? How does it write?

[SLinkster]

I've done a bit of writing now with both my Estie Oversize Journaler nib and with a Franklin-Christoph S.I.G. Fine stub in my Newton Majestic, so I feel like I might have some useful commentary. The pens themselves are about the same size and heft in the hand so I think I have a good "feel" for how the nibs write. The samples shown in the photo are not the basis for my comments. I've written about three dozen pages with the two pens over the past couple of days. 

 

Both nibs are a pleasure to write with.

 

Estie inked with Colorverse Quasar

Newton inked with Diamine Writers' Blood

• The S.I.G. is slightly narrower than the Journaler.
• The Journaler is somewhat smoother than the S.I.G.; the F-C is not as sharp as the 0.9 (or 1.0 depending on your source) <CI> nib in my Pilot MR Metropolitan.
• The Journaler is a wet writer compared to theS.I.G., but I wouldn't say that either one is "wet", especially when I think about the firehose that is my M800 (which is not a valid comparison since the M800 is a standard Pelikan 18kt M)
• Both print and my sorry excuse for cursive show plenty of line variation using both nibs. The S.I.G. does produce a crisper line.
• Because the S.I.G. is narrower I find it easier to "write small" with it than with the Journaler. If I rotate the Journaler a bit (hello, I may be hunting up an oblique cursive italic next) I can write NEARLY as small as with the S.I.G., but not quite.

The Estie is about dry so I'll flush it, let it dry until tomorrow morning after work, and load it with something drier than the Colorverse. I imagine a drier ink will result in a somewhat narrower line, which will make small writing easier. (Yes, I know, "stub" and "small writing" don't belong in the same sentence.)

 

 

[Misfit]

Thank you for sharing this @SLinkster  

[sketchstack]

Yes, thanks @SLinkster  as I've wondered about these two grinds in particular. Sounds like either would fit my needs quite well, with S.I.G. having a slight lead (for me) based on your description.

[SLinkster]

6 hours ago, sketchstack said:

Yes, thanks @SLinkster  as I've wondered about these two grinds in particular. Sounds like either would fit my needs quite well, with S.I.G. having a slight lead (for me) based on your description.

 

I almost did not buy the Franklin-Christoph nib. I had just received my Estie oversize with it s lovely J nib when I spotted the charcoal SIG at F-C. Then I nearly ordered the medium SIG but decided at the last minute to get the fine instead. I've written close to 60pp with each nib now using a variety of inks including some shimmer. The F-C is a hard start with shimmer inks but writes well once I get it going as long as I keep the shimmer moving in the converter.

 

I still prefer the J nib for its smoothness, but I like the F-C for the sharper line and greater line variation.

[cougarking]

On 4/16/2024 at 7:55 PM, dms525 said:

 

I can confirm that Pilot is releasing a <S> (Signature) nib for the C823. My thread in the Japanese pen forum has photos of this nib. I have asked a Pilot vendor to have his nib technician evaluate it for me, if they get one in. 

 

David

 

looks interesting?

 

Hi dms525

 

With your wealth of experience and collection of stub/ italic wonder which

was your favourite?

[dms525]

On 6/1/2024 at 10:42 AM, cougarking said:

 

looks interesting?

 

Hi dms525

 

With your wealth of experience and collection of stub/ italic wonder which

was your favourite?

 

That's not an easy question to answer. I certainly can't name just one.

 

Of my custom ground nibs, I would say the old Conway-Stewart italics I had made crisper are wonderful writers. I love their slight springiness. Second would be Pelikan M600 and M800 nibs. These are nail-like, but still I love how they write. But custom ground Visconti and OMAS nibs are pretty great. So are Montegrappas. I think getting a relationship with a nib technician who gets to know your personal preferences is really helpful.

 

Of factory standard italics/stubs, it would be Stipula gold italic nibs and current Leonardo steel and gold 1.1 stubs made by JoWo. Note that many have Leonardo-made ebonite feeds and are well tuned by Salvatore.

 

I would mention that I like pens that make nib swapping easy. Examples are Pelikan M6xx and M8xx's and pens that take JoWo #6 nibs. And that some vendors of pens that take JoWo nibs do a lot of tuning that improves their writing out of the box.

 

I know all of these examples are not readily available.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Happy writing!

 

David

 

 

[cougarking]

Sorry for not reply, have been away.

 

with regard to Conway pens,any particular Model?

 

 

I am tempted by the Leonardo pens the stubs and csi broad.

my nearest experience are the Lamy steel  1.5 ,1.9 1.1 which are fun, but not necessary smooth!

 

I presume with Leonardo nibs you can order different ones and swap out?

cheers

Henry

[Doc Dan]

I take back all of the bad things I have said about the Lamy Z50 1.1 stub nib. When I first got it, it wrote like a fine with too much scratch, like a hard pencil. I wrote on some rough el cheapo notebook paper and then in my journal. It now has character and is nice and smooth, but not too smooth. It writes beautifully. It must have had a burr or something because now I love it. 

[Misfit]

The notebook is an E- from the defunct Elemental Notebooks. It has old Tomoe River paper.