Please identify. Hero 50 & 800 with unknown details.

[Number99]

Hello.

 

 I will post to this sub-forum for the first time. I usually participate in forums with an interest in Parker's semi-vintage (1960s~).

 

 I recently got a hero 50 and a hero 800 fountain pen, a collection disposal from a collector and part of the collection from the 1950s to the 1990s.

 

 I found a blog post on the internet about hero 50 and found out a little, but there are still unclear points.

 And I can't find the image of this hero 800 on the net.

 In the article at this link, I felt that my hero 50 was close to the first commemorative version made in 1981.

https://dyfocus.com/news-military/18ceaa.html

 

 There was a mention to the logo on the clip in this article.

 And another blog post about the logo.

https://dyfocus.com/news-culture1/221737.html

 

 And I also read this.

https://www.newton.com.tw/wiki/英雄鋼筆/1318010

 

 From the logo, you can see that both pens are like 1980s pens.

 But I'm new to Chinese pens and these pens are my  second and third hero pens.

 I don't know the details at all ...

 

 When searching on the net, it seemed like a model with the words "fake" and "genuine".

 

 Both want to know the version, release date, rarity, and its authenticity.

 

 

 I welcome any information and opinions.  

Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

 

 

Please pinch out the details of the image.

 I'm very sorry for the bad photo.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 20, 2022 by Number99
Correction of link address

[IJKWS]

We chinese call the logo on the clip"汇丰标"，used in 1980s and changed in 1992 with a plum logo till today.

The plum logo came from “文华金梅” a little manufactor in 1950s,which finally incorporated into Hero.

Chinese collectors always think a pen with "汇丰标"is valuable than the plum logo one.

The logo in Hero 50 is a special logo for Hero's 50 year anniversnary, only Hero 50 uses this logo with a 5 and O

Hero 100/200 series have another special logo which representing "100 point Hero pen"

[Number99]

On 3/20/2022 at 6:36 PM, IJKWS said:

We chinese call the logo on the clip"汇丰标"，used in 1980s and changed in 1992 with a plum logo till today.

The plum logo came from “文华金梅” a little manufactor in 1950s,which finally incorporated into Hero.

Chinese collectors always think a pen with "汇丰标"is valuable than the plum logo one.

The logo in Hero 50 is a special logo for Hero's 50 year anniversnary, only Hero 50 uses this logo with a 5 and O

Hero 100/200 series have another special logo which representing "100 point Hero pen"

Thank you for your reply.

 

 I was relieved to know that the pen has legitimacy due to the logo on the clip.

 

 I got a hint, so I proceeded with Google search. I came across some matching images and videos from Google Image Search, and two blog posts.

 It seemed that 50 of the 汇丰标 （HSBC logo）clips were still on sale, but it turned out that the 800 of the 汇丰标 clip is highly rare unlike the mass-produced model. Certainly not found at all on the sales site.

 That was mentioned in this blog post.

https://www.nonopen.com/6092.html

 I also confirmed that my hero 800 is an early 800 because the cap length and barrel length are exactly the same as the Parker 45.

 

 This is a blog post with the same images of my pen .

https://kknews.cc/news/lx5xnn2.amp

 It was fun and impressive research for me, who has collected a few Parker 45s.

 

 Regarding Hero 50, it seems to be the same as the model of the 6th image (including the logo image) of the 2nd blog attached to the previous post because there is a "三圈刻痕"（Three circles of scoring）.

 

 The question remains as to why it is in Japan. However, in that regard, among the vintage fountain pens made in China obtained from the same collector, there was a red "青年"（youth） fountain pen inscribed in gold letters as "中华人民共和国"（People's Republic of China）, which seems to be a souvenir. So these pens may have been obtained by the previous owner on a trip.

 

 I attached only the tip of 800 to Parker45 and tried to write. It looks like XF.

 I felt better than Parker 45, 51, 75 when it came to writing kan-ji (especially vertical writing) (Of course these Parker pens are also very good).

 

 I remember Japanese Chinese pen collectors describing the 616 at this period as a "real 616".

 I usually use the 329 of the same period, but it's a good pen that I think is different from the 329 discussed in this forum.

 

 Please tell me various things again.

 

 Thank you very much.

 

 

 

 

[IJKWS]

14 hours ago, Number99 said:

Thank you for your reply.

 

 I was relieved to know that the pen has legitimacy due to the logo on the clip.

 

 I got a hint, so I proceeded with Google search. I came across some matching images and videos from Google Image Search, and two blog posts.

 It seemed that 50 of the 汇丰标 （HSBC logo）clips were still on sale, but it turned out that the 800 of the 汇丰标 clip is highly rare unlike the mass-produced model. Certainly not found at all on the sales site.

 That was mentioned in this blog post.

https://www.nonopen.com/6092.html

 I also confirmed that my hero 800 is an early 800 because the cap length and barrel length are exactly the same as the Parker 45.

 

 This is a blog post with the same images of my pen .

https://kknews.cc/news/lx5xnn2.amp

 It was fun and impressive research for me, who has collected a few Parker 45s.

 

 Regarding Hero 50, it seems to be the same as the model of the 6th image (including the logo image) of the 2nd blog attached to the previous post because there is a "三圈刻痕"（Three circles of scoring）.

 

 The question remains as to why it is in Japan. However, in that regard, among the vintage fountain pens made in China obtained from the same collector, there was a red "青年"（youth） fountain pen inscribed in gold letters as "中华人民共和国"（People's Republic of China）, which seems to be a souvenir. So these pens may have been obtained by the previous owner on a trip.

 

 I attached only the tip of 800 to Parker45 and tried to write. It looks like XF.

 I felt better than Parker 45, 51, 75 when it came to writing kan-ji (especially vertical writing) (Of course these Parker pens are also very good).

 

 I remember Japanese Chinese pen collectors describing the 616 at this period as a "real 616".

 I usually use the 329 of the same period, but it's a good pen that I think is different from the 329 discussed in this forum.

 

 Please tell me various things again.

 

 Thank you very much.

 

 

 

 

 It's a normal thing because the hero and parker had a cooperation around 1979-1982 ,about cooperation to product the parker 45.Finally the cooperation ended for parker's personal change. 

As for compensate， hero got all original draws of parker 45，I have。uploaded this draws in fpn.

From 1950s, China has been exporting a large number of affordable high quality fountain pens to Japan（Hero 616,329，etc， They are very high quality at that time, You'll know what I say if you got some 1960's 329 ）, which has almost destroyed Japanese fountain pen industry. From nowadays, You can also read some  descriptions from 《fountain pen of the world》 and Chinese archives.

 

The “Youth”or “青年”  is a brand of 广州金笔厂，not a hero pen.

 

“本物の616"？ Well, a good name I will share it with my friends. Yes, the old 616 and the 616 today are really different. Especially the export edition, they have higher quality, I've used some of them.

I love this name.

[Number99]

12 hours ago, IJKWS said:

 It's a normal thing because the hero and parker had a cooperation around 1979-1982 ,about cooperation to product the parker 45.Finally the cooperation ended for parker's personal change. 

As for compensate， hero got all original draws of parker 45，I have。uploaded this draws in fpn.

From 1950s, China has been exporting a large number of affordable high quality fountain pens to Japan（Hero 616,329，etc， They are very high quality at that time, You'll know what I say if you got some 1960's 329 ）, which has almost destroyed Japanese fountain pen industry. From nowadays, You can also read some  descriptions from 《fountain pen of the world》 and Chinese archives.

 

The “Youth”or “青年”  is a brand of 广州金笔厂，not a hero pen.

 

“本物の616"？ Well, a good name I will share it with my friends. Yes, the old 616 and the 616 today are really different. Especially the export edition, they have higher quality, I've used some of them.

I love this name.

Yes.

 Certainly, Chinese semi-vintage fountain pens survived and were sold for a long time even after Japanese small and medium-sized manufacturers lost the competition with ballpoint pens.

 

「中国物産展」or "Chinese product exhibition". 

 It traveled all over Japan, selling various Chinese crafts at public halls, and came to the town where I grew up about once a year. Nostalgic.

 At that time, I couldn't buy it as a kid, so I was only holding ads ...

 

 It helped me to understand the correct manufacturer name for the "Youth" fountain pen. I just put the ink in and the evaluation is yet to come. However, it can draw the same line as Japanese XF with a writing feeling similar to "real 329". The cap is of high quality and comparable to the Parker 51. It is a 「珍品」or "rare item" with a ballpoint pen tip attached to its barrel end.

 Of course it's a keeper.

 

 We have found that Google Translate reproduces our slang pronunciation if 「本物の616」（real 616） is written as 「本物の6 1 6」.

 Yes, we call it that way.

 

Perhaps my 329 is a product equivalent to what you call the "392 in the 1960s", the "real 329". (You have increased the value of your country's products here, I agree with that.) Until now, I couldn't make a formal statement because I wasn't sure that the real vintage 329 was different from the current 329, but from now on I'll call it the real vintage 329 or 「本物の 3 2 9」.

 

 Certainly it's a different fountain pen.

 

 

 

Youth fountain pen with a ballpoint pen tip on the barrel end, Guangzhou广州 Golden Pen Factory.

 

 

Right now I bet on this fountain pen.

 

 

 

Edited March 22, 2022 by Number99

[IJKWS]

7 hours ago, Number99 said:

Yes.

 Certainly, Chinese semi-vintage fountain pens survived and were sold for a long time even after Japanese small and medium-sized manufacturers lost the competition with ballpoint pens.

 

「中国物産展」or "Chinese product exhibition". 

 It traveled all over Japan, selling various Chinese crafts at public halls, and came to the town where I grew up about once a year. Nostalgic.

 At that time, I couldn't buy it as a kid, so I was only holding ads ...

 

 It helped me to understand the correct manufacturer name for the "Youth" fountain pen. I just put the ink in and the evaluation is yet to come. However, it can draw the same line as Japanese XF with a writing feeling similar to "real 329". The cap is of high quality and comparable to the Parker 51. It is a 「珍品」or "rare item" with a ballpoint pen tip attached to its barrel end.

 Of course it's a keeper.

 

 We have found that Google Translate reproduces our slang pronunciation if 「本物の616」（real 616） is written as 「本物の6 1 6」.

 Yes, we call it that way.

 

Perhaps my 329 is a product equivalent to what you call the "392 in the 1960s", the "real 329". (You have increased the value of your country's products here, I agree with that.) Until now, I couldn't make a formal statement because I wasn't sure that the real vintage 329 was different from the current 329, but from now on I'll call it the real vintage 329 or 「本物の 3 2 9」.

 

 Certainly it's a different fountain pen.

 

 

 

Youth fountain pen with a ballpoint pen tip on the barrel end, Guangzhou广州 Golden Pen Factory.

 

 

Right now I bet on this fountain pen.

 

 

 

That's Wingsung 237（永生237）. I remember the first time I see it in a beautiful girl's hand , I was fascinated by this pen at the first sight

Though the production ended because of the insolvency of wingsung in 1999.There's still tens of thousand of new old stocks in Chinese market.

It's a nice pen

[Dan Carmell]

Very interesting information on these Hero models! When I was last active on FPN, very few models were available in the US and few collectors knew anything about the company or range of pens. The 800 drew my interest because I was collecting P-45s. There were several variations, I kept one. The 200 and still available 200-E and the 100 convinced me of Hero’s high quality. I was lucky enough to get a Hero 850; they seem to be discontinued. Now I’m back, buying the WS 601-A; imagine: a flighter 51 Vacumatic with a triumph nib, it’s a great pen, as has been every Chinese pen I’ve bought in my current splurge!  Anyway, I will continue to listen in on the excellent information offered here. Thanks!

[TFHS]

Hello. I'm the author of the article about "HSBC logo". 

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/ArUuwjrJ9fe0w--BiB0FeQ

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/Xx9vMsVnFi-nWsmNOfU15A

 

As mentioned in the article, "HSBC logo" is a trademark of Shanghai Ball Pen Factory, not Shanghai Hero Pen Factory. Before 1986, Shanghai Ball Pen Factory and Shanghai Hero Pen Factory were subsidiaries of  Shanghai Pen Industry Company (Hero, Wingsung, Chonghwa, Threestar, Fenghwa, and some other pen parts factory are all included). However, at the end of 1986, the Shanghai Pen Industry Company was dissolved, Shanghai Ball Pen Factory and Shanghai Hero Pen Factory each became two separate companies. Therefore, Shanghai Hero Pen Factory can no longer use the HSBC logo for its own fountain pen products.

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/V97mgDrewxA5bS_-TgZBGQ

 

About Hero 800, there's also a transitional product between it and the Parker 45 called Hero 80, However, the nib of Hero 80 does not contain gold. Hero 80 was discontinued in 1983 and was replaced by Hero 800.

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/IvUEyjToHzicD95EOWaSqg

[TFHS]

As for the time the HSBC logo was used on the Hero fountain pen, it was probably from 1978 to 1992. After 1986, it was not changed immediately, but gradually stopped using it.

[Number99]

On 3/23/2022 at 10:28 AM, IJKWS said:

That's Wingsung 237（永生237）. I remember the first time I see it in a beautiful girl's hand , I was fascinated by this pen at the first sight

Though the production ended because of the insolvency of wingsung in 1999.There's still tens of thousand of new old stocks in Chinese market.

It's a nice pen

Perhaps this Wingsung 237 was also sold at the "China Product Exhibition".

 

 Apparently I'm still holding the ad in my hand.

 

 I received the pen, it was an unused item, but it seems that it was stored in a place with bad air, so I put ink in once, but I am cleaning it now. I do not know whether the size of the nib is F or XF yet.

 I'm looking forward to it.

 

 I came across an interesting article.

 The old inventory of Wingsung pens, including the Wingsung classic model after the company went out of business, is a copy.

 

 Now, I had to work to tell if my pen was also a copy.

 

https://www.itsfun.com.tw/永生鋼筆/wiki-1176922-7350712

 

 It is written in the section of the recent situation.

 

 

 

[Number99]

On 3/24/2022 at 7:01 AM, Dan Carmell said:

Very interesting information on these Hero models! When I was last active on FPN, very few models were available in the US and few collectors knew anything about the company or range of pens. The 800 drew my interest because I was collecting P-45s. There were several variations, I kept one. The 200 and still available 200-E and the 100 convinced me of Hero’s high quality. I was lucky enough to get a Hero 850; they seem to be discontinued. Now I’m back, buying the WS 601-A; imagine: a flighter 51 Vacumatic with a triumph nib, it’s a great pen, as has been every Chinese pen I’ve bought in my current splurge!  Anyway, I will continue to listen in on the excellent information offered here. Thanks!

Hello.

 

I didn't know either Hero 850 or 200.

 The 200 is a style that brings Hero 50 closer to Parker 75.

 The charm of the 850 is obvious even if you don't talk about it.

 If I can choose the nib of the XF, I might aim to buy it.

 It seems that both Parker and Hero used to supply X nibs and 0.3mm nibs as standard for the Japanese market.

  https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/324179-hero-200a-review-cheapest-gold-nib-pen/

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/64602-hero-850/?do=findComment&comment=1148389

 

 Link address for reviews about Hero 800.

 

https://kknews.cc/news/yp662eb.amp

 

https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/47911055

 

https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/stationery/M.1410242203.A.9AC.html

 

 Hero blog article. There are many links.

https://kknews.cc/news/jljo3q6.amp

 

 You can read various Chinese articles by changing the Google search settings.

 

 Change the search language to one of the Chinese languages.

 Set the search area to Hong Kong or Taiwan.

 

 The following operations can be performed in the search window.

 Enter the search term in an understandable language (Japanese in my case), cut and paste it, and translate it into the language set by Google Translate (one of the Chinese languages).

 

 And search.

 

 To do this, you need to remember the converted search term (one of the Chinese), but I think it's possible because it's a short sentence.

 

 

 Thank you for introducing interesting models such as 200 and 850.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 27, 2022 by Number99

[Number99]

On 3/24/2022 at 3:39 PM, TFHS said:

Hello. I'm the author of the article about "HSBC logo". 

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/ArUuwjrJ9fe0w--BiB0FeQ

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/Xx9vMsVnFi-nWsmNOfU15A

 

As mentioned in the article, "HSBC logo" is a trademark of Shanghai Ball Pen Factory, not Shanghai Hero Pen Factory. Before 1986, Shanghai Ball Pen Factory and Shanghai Hero Pen Factory were subsidiaries of  Shanghai Pen Industry Company (Hero, Wingsung, Chonghwa, Threestar, Fenghwa, and some other pen parts factory are all included). However, at the end of 1986, the Shanghai Pen Industry Company was dissolved, Shanghai Ball Pen Factory and Shanghai Hero Pen Factory each became two separate companies. Therefore, Shanghai Hero Pen Factory can no longer use the HSBC logo for its own fountain pen products.

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/V97mgDrewxA5bS_-TgZBGQ

 

About Hero 800, there's also a transitional product between it and the Parker 45 called Hero 80, However, the nib of Hero 80 does not contain gold. Hero 80 was discontinued in 1983 and was replaced by Hero 800.

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/IvUEyjToHzicD95EOWaSqg

Hello.

 

 I didn't expect to receive a reply from the author of the quoted blog.

 I'm surprised.

 

 Thank you for sharing valuable documentation, I didn't know the existence of Hero 80.

 The Hero 80 in the catalog is similar to the Parker 45 student, and I think this model also has an octanium nib as standard, so the similarity in nib color is maintained.

 It is a valuable image.

 I also found that it is possible to read a document by long-tapping it, linking Google Translate from Google Lens, and copying the text to the document.

 I want to make time to read.

 

 It seems that my Hero 800 has been confirmed to be a product from 1983 to 1991.

 Thank you very much.

 

 The rest was written in another article, but if you know when the cap and barrel homology between Hero 800 and Parker 45 changed, you may know a more detailed era. (This is also a matter to confirm that this theory and its interpretation are correct. If this theory is correct, it means the first half of the above-mentioned age.)

 

 The Hero 80 has become a longing target along with the Parker 45TX.

 Neither is available to me.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 27, 2022 by Number99

[TFHS]

5 hours ago, Number99 said:

Thank you for providing valuable documentation, I didn't know the existence of Hero 80.

 The Hero 80 in the catalog is similar to the Parker 45 student, and I think this model also has an octanium nib as standard, so the similarity in nib color is maintained.

 It is a valuable image.

 I also found that it is possible to read a document by long-tapping it, linking Google Translate from Google Lens, and copying the text to the document.

 I want to make time to read.

 

 It seems that my Hero 800 has been confirmed to be a product from 1983 to 1991.

 Thank you very much.

 

The situation at that time was that from 1979 to 1980, Shanghai Pen Industry Company and Parker were ready to reach a cooperation in the processing of three products:

 

1.  Shanghai Hero Pen Factory and other related pen parts factory produces Parker 45 fountain pens.

2. Shanghai Feng Hwa Ball Point Pen Factory and other related pen parts factory produces Parker 45 Ballpoint Pen.

3. China No.2 Pencil Factory(THREESTAR) and other related pen parts factory produces mechanical pencil movement like Parker refill.

However, due to various reasons, only the ballpoint pen cooperation part was reached (semi-finished product for the production of ballpoint pen barrel and cap). Regarding the fountain pen, when the Hero Pen Factory sent the last batch of prototypes to Parker, Parker did not reply, and Shanghai Pen Industry Company did not charge Parker for the prototype. Therefore, Parker gave the drawing of Parker's 45 fountain pen to Hero Pen Factory as compensation.

Subsequently, the Hero Pen Factory designed the Hero 80 Iridium fountain pen based on this drawing. By 1983, the demand for golden fountain pens in the Chinese mainland market increased, so the Hero Pen Factory changed the Hero 80 into the Hero 800 with a golden nib and a new clip, and also discontinued the Hero 80 at the same time.

 

Regarding the semi-finished product of ballpoint pen parts, I found Parker 45 on a form drawn in 1983 by the Shanghai No.4 Pen Parts Factory (which produces stainless steel barrel & cap of fountain pens, ballpoint pens, and mechanical pencil). Moreover, Shanghai Feng Hwa Ball Point Pen Factory did not imitate the new model based on the Parker 45 ballpoint pen, since the products of Feng Hwa were already relatively large at that time.

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/w840zkEde2VITy0sYja6vg

 

Regarding the details and reasons for the miscarriage of the two cooperation, there is a memoir of the director of the Hero Pen Factory. So far, however, no information on Parker has been found. People who are probably familiar with Parker's history know these details.

https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/382366098
 

Regarding mechanical pencil, Parker believes that the cost of trial production samples at China No.2 Pencil Factory is too high, so no cooperation was reached. However, because the structure of the mechanical pencil was independently designed by the own, the China No.2 Pencil Factory then borrowed the barrel and cap of the Hero 400 ballpoint pen, a product of the Shanghai Ball Pen Factory, and combined it into its own product at the end of 1980, the THREESTAR 700 Mechanical Pencil.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 27, 2022 by TFHS

[TFHS]

4 hours ago, Number99 said:

  The rest was written in another article, but if you know when the cap and barrel homology between Hero 800 and Parker 45 changed, you may know a more detailed era. (This is also a matter to confirm that this theory and its interpretation are correct. If this theory is correct, it means the first half of the above-mentioned age.)

 

 

Regarding the Hero 800 itself, I find it easy to identify its version, because the nib is engraved with a year mark.

 

I don't know much about the Parker 45, and I haven't personally touched this pen. I know best about ballpoint pens and mechanical pencils made in Shanghai, followed by fountain pens.

 

 

[Number99]

3 hours ago, TFHS said:

 

Regarding the Hero 800 itself, I find it easy to identify its version, because the nib is engraved with a year mark.

 

I don't know much about the Parker 45, and I haven't personally touched this pen. I know best about ballpoint pens and mechanical pencils made in Shanghai, followed by fountain pens.

 

 

Thank you for your teaching.

 

 I knew the relationship between Hero and Parker's fountain pen, but for the first time I learned about the relationship between Hero and Parker regarding ballpoint pens and mechanical pencils.

 

 I use a fountain pen at home to adjust my pen pressure. I use ballpoint pens elsewhere.

 From now on, I will also pay attention to ballpoint pens made in China.

 Until high school, I carried a mechanical pencil and a wooden pencil and sharpener for spares.

 It was a body knock type, but I still remember its appearance. (The degree of dents and scratches).

 

 The Parker 45 TX is a rare model of the Parker 45.

 You can see the overview here.

 A central site for Parker enthusiasts.

http://parkerpens.net/parker45.html

 

https://parker45pens.com/parker-45-tx/

 

 The year of manufacture of my Hero 800 was 1984. I'm glad to know until the pinpoint manufacturing year.

 thank you.

 

 I think I have to take good care of this pen.

 

 

[Dan Carmell]

On 3/27/2022 at 1:21 AM, Number99 said:

Hello.

 

I didn't know either Hero 850 or 200.

 The 200 is a style that brings Hero 50 closer to Parker 75.

 The charm of the 850 is obvious even if you don't talk about it.

 If I can choose the nib of the XF, I might aim to buy it.

 It seems that both Parker and Hero used to supply X nibs and 0.3mm nibs as standard for the Japanese market.

  https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/324179-hero-200a-review-cheapest-gold-nib-pen/

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/64602-hero-850/?do=findComment&comment=1148389

 

 Link address for reviews about Hero 800.

 

https://kknews.cc/news/yp662eb.amp

 

https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/47911055

 

https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/stationery/M.1410242203.A.9AC.html

 

 Hero blog article. There are many links.

https://kknews.cc/news/jljo3q6.amp

 

 

 

 Thank you for introducing interesting models such as 200 and 850.

 

 

 

 

Thank you for the tips for searching, that’s quite valuable and I had no idea that was possible, but I will certainly try it. 
 

The 850 was available via eBay here in the US and many bought it because the incomparable Myu was moderately rare & unaffordable. The integral nib on the 850 worked well and overall this stainless steel pen is well made—steel threads on nib section & barrel for example, versus plastic to steel on Parker’s famous T1. 
 

i believe I have seen a rather ugly FP on Ali Express that uses this same integrated nib section or one very similar, but while the pen body is steel, it is a cartoonish, a child’s pen. 
 

I thought of 200 as the Parker 75 and the 200A, with its more elaborate detailing, but same nib, as the Parker Premier. That nib also is a great nib. 
 

I did get interested in these Hero pens because they resembled the Parkers I collected, but kept them because they are good writers and interesting on their own. A few photos below to illustrate the 850. 

[Mech-for-i]

On 3/28/2022 at 12:18 AM, Number99 said:

....

 From now on, I will also pay attention to ballpoint pens made in China.

....

 

 

 

It must be noted that while those vintage models are interesting and I had myself a bunch too , the traditional ballpoint did not and do not progress much since then in China , and the real reason had to be introduction of Gel Pens into the market as early as late eighties and then True Color introduction of their own local manufacturing capacity thus disrupt the market , in short the gel pen just overall a better pen for the said language's writing need. Today Chinese pen / stationary Mfr had far more advance and development in gel pen than the traditional ballpoint.

 

Just as the Japanese did with standardising refill size based off the old ANSI rollerball spec and made it a JIS spec China take the same and incorporate theirs into their GB national standard spec together with a home grown spec for slimmer pens 

 

This made cross compatibility a load more user friendly where for ballpoint the old Parker G2 and the de facto old Euro ( also ISO but few use them for new pen anymore ) skinny refill as used in BIC Clic / Citation simply stay put ..

 

[TFHS]

5 hours ago, Dan Carmell said:

I thought of 200 as the Parker 75 and the 200A, with its more elaborate detailing, but same nib, as the Parker Premier. That nib also is a great nib. 

Hero 200 was an earlier model, which began designing in late 1978 and was finalized in mid-1980. The Hero 200 was followed by the addition of two models, the 200-1 and the 200-2. 

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/IvUEyjToHzicD95EOWaSqg

 

The appearance of the Hero 200 is very similar to that of the Hero 100, especially the clip. It is also generally believed that this Hero 200 is the first version. This Hero 200 was discontinued probably in the early 1980s, and then resumed production after making detailed changes in the 90s, called Hero 200A.

 

The Hero 200-1 and 200-2 are very similar, both inherit the appearance of the Hero 400 ballpoint pen, they are both models launched after the mid-1980 finalized, which can be considered as the Hero Pen Factory abandoned the appearance of the first version of the Hero 200. Compared to 200-1, 200-2 refers to the varieties of barrel & caps coated with animal leather.

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In general, after the first version of Hero 200 was discontinued, Hero 200-1 and Hero 200-2 were also directly referred to as Hero 200. For HSBC logo on the Hero 200 clip, they were replaced around 1990, and I explained why in other replies above.

 

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9 minutes ago, Mech-for-i said:

 

It must be noted that while those vintage models are interesting and I had myself a bunch too , the traditional ballpoint did not and do not progress much since then in China , and the real reason had to be introduction of Gel Pens into the market as early as late eighties and then True Color introduction of their own local manufacturing capacity thus disrupt the market , in short the gel pen just overall a better pen for the said language's writing need. Today Chinese pen / stationary Mfr had far more advance and development in gel pen than the traditional ballpoint.

 

Just as the Japanese did with standardising refill size based off the old ANSI rollerball spec and made it a JIS spec China take the same and incorporate theirs into their GB national standard spec together with a home grown spec for slimmer pens 

 

This made cross compatibility a load more user friendly where for ballpoint the old Parker G2 and the de facto old Euro ( also ISO but few use them for new pen anymore ) skinny refill as used in BIC Clic / Citation simply stay put ..

 

No way, stainless steel ballpoint pen tip body and ink is a big problem in China's ballpoint pen and gel pen industry.

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10 minutes ago, Mech-for-i said:

Just as the Japanese did with standardising refill size based off the old ANSI rollerball spec and made it a JIS spec China take the same and incorporate theirs into their GB national standard spec together with a home grown spec for slimmer pens 

 

This made cross compatibility a load more user friendly where for ballpoint the old Parker G2 and the de facto old Euro ( also ISO but few use them for new pen anymore ) skinny refill as used in BIC Clic / Citation simply stay put ..

 

It is also a pity that Chinese mainland two original refill standards, Feng Hwa 92 and the Shanghai Brand Ball Point Pen, have been abandoned.