Fake Pelikan from Amazon

[Caneta]

Waited a few weeks for a M805 Blue Dunes ordered from Amazon, thought they were going to say unavailable but then a little Amazon package arrived. I am used to Amazon sending pens loose in envelope without box but I was shocked to find a blue Jinhao c/c steel nib with a Pelikan Blue Dunes tag on the clip. now have the hassle of returning to Amazon in Germany and awaiting refund, beware!

[Karmachanic]

Your headline is incorrect. It's not a fake Pelikan. Bears no resemblence to a Pelikan. It's genuine Jinhao x750.  Perhaps you can edit it  or ask the management to do so. 

[A Smug Dill]

Shocking. 

[ZeroDukE]

This is fraud.  Who was the seller? 

[christam]

This might have happened because a dishonest customer bought a genuine Blue Dunes and then sent it back for a refund - only instead of returning the original, placed the Jinhao (complete with Blue Dunes tag on the clip) inside the box.  Sadly, it happens.

 

Strictly speaking such a return should then be sold through the Amazon Warehouse outlet but it also happens that items sent back in apparently good condition are sometimes sold again as "new".  The employees responsible for opening returns are highly unlikely to know what a Blue Dunes looks like, and if the packaging and tag looked genuine would think the real thing had been returned.

 

I bought several bargain (as in, at very good prices) pens from Amazon a couple of years ago and returned two of them because of faulty nibs, plus one (a Carene) because I found it difficult to use.  Only the Carene made it to the Warehouse for resale.  I suspect the others were sold on as brand new - which is how they looked when I sent them back - to other customers.

[Caneta]

28 minutes ago, zeroduke said:

This is fraud.  Who was the seller? 

this was the page on Amazon, on mention of 3rd party so assume sold by amazon

[Caneta]

48 minutes ago, Karmachanic said:

Your headline is incorrect. It's not a fake Pelikan. Bears no resemblence to a Pelikan. It's genuine Jinhao x750.  Perhaps you can edit it  or ask the management to do so. 

 

6 minutes ago, christam said:

This might have happened because a dishonest customer bought a genuine Blue Dunes and then sent it back for a refund - only instead of returning the original, placed the Jinhao (complete with Blue Dunes tag on the clip) inside the box.  Sadly, it happens.

 

Strictly speaking such a return should then be sold through the Amazon Warehouse outlet but it also happens that items sent back in apparently good condition are sometimes sold again as "new".  The employees responsible for opening returns are highly unlikely to know what a Blue Dunes looks like, and if the packaging and tag looked genuine would think the real thing had been returned.

 

I bought several bargain (as in, at very good prices) pens from Amazon a couple of years ago and returned two of them because of faulty nibs, plus one (a Carene) because I found it difficult to use.  Only the Carene made it to the Warehouse for resale.  I suspect the others were sold on as brand new - which is how they looked when I sent them back - to other customers.

That makes sense, you would think they would at least check against their own product photo. I will be thinking at least twice before any more Amazon "bargains"

[Caneta]

55 minutes ago, Karmachanic said:

Your headline is incorrect. It's not a fake Pelikan. Bears no resemblence to a Pelikan. It's genuine Jinhao x750.  Perhaps you can edit it  or ask the management to do so. 

perhaps I should have said "fake", It is definatly not a genuine Pelikan as advertised

[Karmachanic]

Or: Jinhao sold as Pelikan?

[stoen]

52 minutes ago, Karmachanic said:

It's not a fake Pelikan.

The Jinhao may be genuine, but the act of officially advertising and selling it for 500+€ as “Pelikan” is fake, and is an eclatant example of unfair market practice which should be acted against.

 

I often see fake descriptions of pens on eBay and some times send notifications to sellers, but doing this on german Amazon is a bit over the top, IMHO.

[Karmachanic]

3 minutes ago, stoen said:

The Jinhao may be genuine, but the act of officially advertising and selling it for 500+€ as “Pelikan” is fake, and is an eclatant example of unfair market practice which should be acted against.

 

I often see fake descriptions of pens on eBay and some times send notifications to sellers, but doing this on german Amazon is a bit over the top, IMHO.

 

How do we know with 100% certainty that Amazon purposely and intentionally replaced a Pelikan with a Jinhao in Pelikan packaging, and knowingly sold said Jinhao as a genuine Pelikan product?

[Paul-in-SF]

24 minutes ago, stoen said:

an eclatant example

 

Brilliant? Probably flagrant, is that the way that word is used in French?

[ZeroDukE]

4 hours ago, christam said:

This might have happened because a dishonest customer bought a genuine Blue Dunes and then sent it back for a refund - only instead of returning the original, placed the Jinhao (complete with Blue Dunes tag on the clip) inside the box.  Sadly, it happens.

 

Strictly speaking such a return should then be sold through the Amazon Warehouse outlet but it also happens that items sent back in apparently good condition are sometimes sold again as "new".  The employees responsible for opening returns are highly unlikely to know what a Blue Dunes looks like, and if the packaging and tag looked genuine would think the real thing had been returned.

 

I bought several bargain (as in, at very good prices) pens from Amazon a couple of years ago and returned two of them because of faulty nibs, plus one (a Carene) because I found it difficult to use.  Only the Carene made it to the Warehouse for resale.  I suspect the others were sold on as brand new - which is how they looked when I sent them back - to other customers.

 

This is a good and logical explanation. It could be that this is what happened. 

[Mercian]

1 hour ago, Paul-in-SF said:

 

Brilliant? Probably flagrant, is that the way that word is used in French?

I have always understood Eclat (as in ‘de Saphir’) to mean ‘brilliant’/‘brilliance’ or ‘shining’, but I first encountered it at school, as a noun/expression that is roughly the equivalent of the English word ‘thunderclap’.

 

I just looked it up on t’interwebs, and found out that it also has an archaic meaning of ‘scandal’ or ‘notoriety’.

 

All of these are cognates of ‘impossible to ignore’ or ‘outstanding enough to be worthy of remark’, or ‘highly conspicuous’.

 

‘Eclatant’ would therefore, as you so-rightly, be an adjectival form roughly equivalent to ‘flagrant’, or ‘spectacular’, or perhaps even ‘egregious’ (one of my own favourite words).

 

[Mercian]

1 hour ago, zeroduke said:

 

This is a good and logic explanation. It could be that this is what happened. 

Indeed.

It seems like a highly-probable explanation to me.

 

Humanity; you will never find a more-wretched hive of scum and villainy 😔

 

Then again, nor will you ever find another source of Caol Ila, so it’s ‘swings and roundabouts’, innit?

[Paul-in-SF]

5 hours ago, Mercian said:

‘Eclatant’ would therefore, as you so-rightly, be an adjectival form roughly equivalent to ‘flagrant’, or ‘spectacular’, or perhaps even ‘egregious’ (one of my own favourite words).

 

And I never though to connect the word 'eclatant' with 'eclat,' a word I have almost only come across in crossword puzzles. I continue to regret that I never studied French. Words and phrases borrowed from French into English tend to be, how shall I say, subtle and difficult to pin down if you don't understand the nuances. 

[Christopher Godfrey]

<... 'eclat,' a word I have almost only come across in crossword puzzles>

 

Ah, Paul, then you don't know about Lotus sports cars!  As in Lotus Eclat?  (and in lower case it would be "éclat" of course).

[tim77]

4 hours ago, Christopher Godfrey said:

Ah, Paul, then you don't know about Lotus sports cars!  As in Lotus Eclat?  (and in lower case it would be "éclat" of course).

 

That made me chuckle.  In French "eclater" is commonly used to describe something which bursts or violently breaks apart.  "Eclats" are the resulting fragments or debris.  Flash or sparkle may or may not be implied, depending on what has burst.

 

[senzen]

Ouch! Luckily it's usually easy to return things with Amazon, particularly with such a clear deception; not so sure from the UK to Germany post Brexit though.

[Karmachanic]

43 minutes ago, senzen said:

not so sure from the UK to Germany post Brexit though.

 

Post/mail works as it should both directions.