Unusual Parker 75 Cisele tassie

[PithyProlix]

I am watching for a local Parker 75 USA Cisele, my first P75, at a good price. I am thinking this must be a replacement non-75 tassie on the fountain pen, is that correct, please?

 

[OCArt]

Li-Tah Wong''s excellent Parker75.com website does not mention the pointed tassie. Only 

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1. Do the earliest Parker 75 sterling grid pens have the flat end tassies?

February 26, 2001

A lot of people think that the flat tassies were placed on the 75s only during the first year of production.  I believe this to be a mistake as these flat end tassies were used through the 1960s.  Only around 1970 did Parker drop these flat tassies in favor of the dished tassie, which was indented and filled with a flat gold-washed disc.  At around the same time, Parker also replaced the section collar so that it omitted the zero reference inscription, changed the clip to have the larger arrowhead, and widened the cap band.

As proof, just take a look at the advertising picturing the 75s.  Even in early 1970s, there were still ads showing 75s with the early clips, smaller capband, and presumably the flat end tassies.  Also the great numbers of such flat-top 75s refute the theory that these were from the first-year of production

One thing is certain, however.  The earliest 75s had sections with metal threads.  This was quickly replaced with an all-plastic section, probably sometime after 1965.  They are so scarce."

[PithyProlix]

39 minutes ago, OCArt said:

Li-Tah Wong''s excellent Parker75.com website does not mention the pointed tassie. Only 

"

1. Do the earliest Parker 75 sterling grid pens have the flat end tassies?

February 26, 2001

A lot of people think that the flat tassies were placed on the 75s only during the first year of production.  I believe this to be a mistake as these flat end tassies were used through the 1960s.  Only around 1970 did Parker drop these flat tassies in favor of the dished tassie, which was indented and filled with a flat gold-washed disc.  At around the same time, Parker also replaced the section collar so that it omitted the zero reference inscription, changed the clip to have the larger arrowhead, and widened the cap band.

As proof, just take a look at the advertising picturing the 75s.  Even in early 1970s, there were still ads showing 75s with the early clips, smaller capband, and presumably the flat end tassies.  Also the great numbers of such flat-top 75s refute the theory that these were from the first-year of production

One thing is certain, however.  The earliest 75s had sections with metal threads.  This was quickly replaced with an all-plastic section, probably sometime after 1965.  They are so scarce."

 

Thanks. Right - I could not find a pointed tassie on Parker75.com. The other problem it is 'flat' - it doesn't have the 'stacked' structure like on all other P75s I've seen - compare the ballpoint next to it in the picture. I think it is definitely not a P75 tassie.

 

So, this begs the question: could I replace the tassie on the fountain pen with the one on the ball point? And, if I were able to buy them for around $45 USD would it be worthwhile? Per the chart in this post the pen is circa 1973-1978. Other than the tassie an odd thing about this pen is that there is no nib size designation stamped on the feed. The page on nibs on Parker75.com seems to indicate that the only time feeds were not stamped was in the first couple months of production.

 

 

[joss]

The flat tassies on the 75 were used until 1971 but the earliest flat tassies, possibly "first year", had a notch that holds the clip in place (such as seen in this picture). Later on, the notch changed location from the tassie to the cap.

 

I think that the 75 ballpoint tassie is a tad smaller in diameter compared to the 75 fountain pen cap tassie. And $45.00 is a lot of money for a 75 chrome tassie. You can inquire with Five Star Pens or Pen Parts Store, they regularly have these for sale.

 

The pointed metal tassie on your pen looks a lot like the clip screw of a Parker 21 cap.

 

 

 

 

 

[Switala]

Hi, it looks like a replacement to me, coming from a Parker 21. I don't have the two pens in hand at the moment to confirm the possibility of exchanging.
Regards

[PithyProlix]

2 minutes ago, joss said:

I think that the 75 ballpoint tassie is a tad smaller in diameter compared to the 75 fountain pen cap tassie. And $45.00 is a lot of money for a 75 chrome tassie. You can inquire with Five Star Pens or Pen Parts Store, they regularly have these for sale.

 

Sorry, I was not clear. $45 would be the price for the two pens. My plan was to put the ballpoint cap tassie in the fountain pen but it sounds like that is not feasible.

[jchch1950]

$45 USD is cheap for the two pens. The question here is how they fixed the actual tassie,only screw it or they used a kind of glue. But even if you can't find the right tassie either first or second generation  the pens can be used for spare parts, the price of a replacement nib can be more than the asking price.

[Number99]

Hello.

 It is not easy to remove the cap top screw from p75bp.

 I and another colleague are working on the repair sub-forum, but I haven't been able to "report success".

 

 It is likely that the same thing can be said for FP.

 The proposal is based on the premise that the technique has been established, but why not use the cap top screw from the cheap model mk3 (if the screw pitch is the same)?

 Perhaps it was exceptional, but I got the mk3 75FP for parts removal at less than a quarter of the cost of this cap top screw on the market.

 It would be nice if the 21 cap top screws were attached without glue, but if they were glued, it would be a waste ...

Append.

 As you know, the mk1 2 and mk3 nib feed units are not compatible.

Edited January 18, 2022 by Number99
A slight addition.