Lamy Hanzi nibs

[Chi]

4 hours ago, A Smug Dill said:

 

Thanks for sharing your writing samples! It doesn't look to me that the Lamy hanzi nib does much for producing the sharp hooks and pointy tails at the end of kaishu pen strokes, and not something that facilitate the 出鋒 aspect of Chinese writing (cf. harai and hane in Japanese writing).

It could be me not knowing how to utilize it. 

 

But just out of curiosity, I compare it to my Sailor pocket pen 21K zoom nib.

 

It is a lot shorter in terms of the length of tipping material and not as pointy at the end of the nib.

From direct visual, you can see the zoom nib is much more bulky and dramatically shaped.

 

[gerigo]

I purchased this pen only because I was curious about it. Of all the nibs that allow for better expression of Chinese characters, I find this to be most similar to a normal nib. Here are examples from 5 different nibs. These were all written on Kobeha Graphilo, which is not as friendly on wider nibs. I identified the obvious ones that aren't written with the Lamy nib. Can you tell which of the 3 is written with the Lamy 汉 nib? The other 2 nibs are an EF that has an architect like grind from a pre 2012 Montblanc, and an architect grind Esterbrook.

[A Smug Dill]

17 minutes ago, gerigo said:

I find this to be most similar to a normal nib. Here are examples from 5 different nibs. These were all written on Kobeha Graphilo, which is not as friendly on wider nibs. I identified the obvious ones that aren't written with the Lamy nib. Can you tell which of the 3 is written with the Lamy 汉 nib?

 

I suppose it's the one immediately to the right of the hanzi in grey — written with the Sailor Naginata (Togi?) Broad — because it's the one with seemingly the least 出鋒 trait exhibited, assuming you're using the same technique to write all of the iterations of the 預, and you said it's “most similar to a normal nib.” Mind you, most of the time I don't have a problem with getting a “normal” Japanese F or MF nib to exhibit 出鋒, either at the start or the end of pen strokes.

 

The middle hanzi and the rightmost hanzi character seem to be written with nibs that produce more similar shapes from 頓筆 with one another, than with the hanzi next to the grey.

[zwiron]

On 4/9/2022 at 5:57 AM, A Smug Dill said:

 

 I'll check, I see Fontoplumo has listed the Safari set, but is out of stock at the moment; but, being a special edition and not a limited (by number) edition, I'm confident that it will actually restock as stated.

 

 

On 6/19/2022 at 1:49 PM, Chi said:

But just out of curiosity, I compare it to my Sailor pocket pen 21K zoom nib.

 

It is a lot shorter in terms of the length of tipping material and not as pointy at the end of the nib.

From direct visual, you can see the zoom nib is much more bulky and dramatically shaped.

 

 

Ereyesterday I got an email from Frank of Fontoplumo over a new stock of these Hanzi nib fitted Safaris, he mentions some 20 pcs available in all. And I'm tempted, but there appears to be a catch to the offer as well. Looking twice at the nib's shape I'm thinking something may be off, as compared to what I saw of it earlier on. This one seems to lack the distinct curve to the outsides of the tine base, and the narrowpointed wedge that they made. This looks like any other Lamy nib in fact, with an adapted grind to its tip I'll suppose. Or alike to the one shown on the Dialog. What do you say after seeing the pictures? Its pricing is €52 and €63 with VAT included.

 

current supply on fontoplumo

 

https://fontoplumo.nl/product/8686/lamy-safari-china-special-edition-red-with-kanji-nib.html?mc_cid=1462b30b64&mc_eid=066f7a46f6

 

 

 

product photos on gouletpens

Edited October 22, 2024 by zwiron
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[Astronymus]

What curve? Looks like a Hanzi nib.

[AmandaW]

It does look different to the one I got when it was first released (bought from Malaysia). Mine is more like the one you show in the Goulet photos - has the curves on the sides of the nib.

 

 

[inkstainedruth]

I bought a Hanzi nib (possibly as an extra in 2021, when I was getting the Azure al-Star SE).  Don't remember if that's the pen I have the Hanzi nib on at the moment or if the nib is on one of the other Safaris or al-Stars.  

Didn't realize that the Hanzi nibs may have changed style since they were first released.  I'm now going to have to dig out the the pen that nib is on at some point and see if my Hanzi looks different from some of the other photos in this thread....

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[A Smug Dill]

1 hour ago, inkstainedruth said:

Didn't realize that the Hanzi nibs may have changed style since they were first released.

 

That's the first time I've seen a LAMY Hanzi nib that doesn't look (shaped) like it's giving someone the finger and uttering a curse in Chinese while doing so.

 

I remember looking on Taobao, and one seller made a listing (supposedly) detailing the differences between authentic and counterfeit LAMY Hanzi nibs in the product description — to prove his/her/its offering is the real deal — but both of those have the flipping-the-bird shape.

[Number99]

This is the Lamy Japan product page for the Kanji nib fountain pen that was re-released in Japan this September. The nib does not appear to have been changed.

I think this is the website of the Rummy-owned store in Taiwan.

 

P.S.

By the way, you can see the same nib shape in a Google search in Chinese language obtained by Google Translate. Both Hong Kong and Singapore have the same nib shape. For some reason I can't access the Chinese Rummy website from here (Japan)...(But so far images of the Chinese mainland version of the Hanzi nib fountain pen have been obtained.)

 

Edited October 23, 2024 by Number99

[Astronymus]

Oh, one of the photos didn't show when I answered. That's why I didn't understand what the matter would be. 👀

[Anne-Sophie]

On 10/21/2024 at 11:34 PM, AmandaW said:

It does look different to the one I got when it was first released (bought from Malaysia). Mine is more like the one you show in the Goulet photos - has the curves on the sides of the nib.

 

 

 

I bought that nib with my last shipment of Safari LEs.

 

It was an experiment, it was marketed as a cursive nib, so why not?

 

I have used it extensively, almost exclusively, since I bought it.

 

I like Bold, juicy round nib, this nib produces more of a fine line, but it glides on Rhodia paper.

 

The Safari grip holding the cursive nib is paired with a Lamy Joy body, for ease of writing.

 

 

 

[Number99]

On 10/24/2024 at 5:58 AM, Astronymus said:

Oh, one of the photos didn't show when I answered. That's why I didn't understand what the matter would be. 👀

Well, how about that?

With the mobile version of Microsoft Edge, I was able to browse the Lamy website in China. (Probably not a fake site.)

The mobile version of Chrome refused to connect.

*http://lamy.net.cn/product?id=1111&colorId=518

 

Perhaps the shape of the nibs alone is not enough to determine this and you still may be right.

 

*In my case, the link to Rummy China is viewable if I change my browser to Edge, and I cannot open the link in Google Chrome.

 

Reference image.

Screenshot from lamy.net.cn.

Lamy 14k Hanzi nib. Current version stainless steel Hanzi nib shape is similar to other areas. (I can't find the nib for the pen in question at the moment.)

 

Edited October 25, 2024 by Number99
Images and more Images and other explanations have been added.

[Astronymus]

Well, seems like they gave it the usual shape.

[Number99]

7 hours ago, Astronymus said:

Well, seems like they gave it the usual shape.

Sorry,

I came here from a follow-up email from FPN and didn't realize this was the second page of the topic.

😅

So please take my previous reply to mean that I am saying that I cannot say these things outright.

I thought I needed to be cautious since the seller is publicly available.

 

[Mercian]

On 10/25/2024 at 3:01 PM, Astronymus said:

Well, seems like they gave it the usual shape.

 

Maybe they only produced the initial, 'unusually-shaped' run of these nibs as a 'special edition', and didn't expect that initial run to sell very quickly.

If they found that demand for these nibs to be higher than expected, it makes good sense for them to just put the specific tipping-grind and the appropriate 'Hanzi'(?) marking on to nibs that are produced from the 'blanks' produced by their standard nib-blank-stamping machines.