I got this pen today

[Number99]

Response to Failed Post.

Please delete this one as well.

 

Edited November 23, 2022 by Number99

[Karmachanic]

1 hour ago, Number99 said:

it is difficult for even me, a Japanese person, to read all the articles about Sailor Deluxe because they are scattered all over the blog

 

Aha!  In that case it is possible to search the blog for all Sailor Deluxe postings using your browser.

 

In your browser address bar type;

site:websiteaddress.com, sailor deluxe   Press enter.  All posts containing Sailor Deluxe will now appear in your search engine.

 

Or .net, .org as the case may be

[inkstainedruth]

On 11/21/2022 at 5:59 AM, Misfit said:

Hi Ruth, Five Below has knockoffs of the Lamy Joy in ombré colors, which I got earlier. They like to call them calligraphy pens. They do have a set of two pens, with multiple nibs from 1.1 into larger sizes. Other folks in a thread purchased a pack of 8 pens with mostly matching ink cartridges. They seem to take the Gullor ink cartridges. @amberleadaviscreated a thread on twenty five dollars at Five Below for having pens to keep in her car. That made me decide to go to Five Below to get pens I could leave in the car. 

I went to the closest Five Below location yesterday, and ended up passing on the pens.  It was hard to see what the nibs were in some of the packages, and I didn't know what type of converters any of them might take (my experience with "International Standard" converters is that they're not as "standardized" as you'd think....  Decided I'd rather pay more and know what it was I was getting.

Still looking at a few inexpensive pens on eBay at the moment.  Plus I just put in an order to Vanness this morning for some ink, plus a couple of the Parker piston converters (I was trying to juggle spending JUST enough to get the free shipping, but without overwhelming the ink stash (since I still have a bunch of samples I haven't tried, PLUS haven't done formal testing of the four inks I bought at the Ohio Pen Show OR all the tester inks used when I had some pens repaired at the show.  

On top of that, I'm back to the point of having too many pens in rotation at the moment....

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[Number99]

22 hours ago, Karmachanic said:

 

Aha!  In that case it is possible to search the blog for all Sailor Deluxe postings using your browser.

 

In your browser address bar type;

site:websiteaddress.com, sailor deluxe   Press enter.  All posts containing Sailor Deluxe will now appear in your search engine.

 

Or .net, .org as the case may be

Thank you.

 

I used a different method but was able to narrow down the "postwar sailor" category of the "Kamisama blog".

I will slowly learn more about the methods you taught me, including how to apply them on my smartphone.

 

The arrangement of the articles is still random, but if you are interested, please read on.

 

https://ameblo.jp/kamisama-samasama/theme-10112310136.html

 

 

 

[OldTravelingShoe]

On 11/22/2022 at 8:39 AM, A Smug Dill said:

 

The design choice would be to use the (already established) ‘standard’ 3.4mm-bore Jinhao converter in the model 1001 desk pens, which then constrains the diameter of the ‘nipple’ connector inside the grip section. I'd say it's a quality control issue, but the root cause is poor quality control of the industrial tooling; if the injection mould is out by just thaaat much (or little), then all the units produced with it will be too wide for the ‘standard’ 3.4mm-bore converters and stretch their ‘mouths’, or ports, when installed into model 1001 desk pens.

 

Hehe, let's make a law from this observation: The world tries to standardize but, even when it succeeds in specifying a standard, it often fails to follow its specification. This propagates then to finer granularities, down to individual companies and then likely to individuals. 

[OldTravelingShoe]

Very glad I got these pens today... back from repair. (Many thanks to the specialist, he worked super-fast, I had the pens for a long time but took me a while until I found him in the Netherlands.) 

 

The pens had all sorts of issues, twisted nibs, broken ink sacs, as they do when you purchase from photos on eBay. 

 

Figure 1. The pens are glad. 

 

Figure 2. The pens rest.

 

Figures 1 and 2 depict the society of pens. Antorpomorphizing too much? 

 

From top to bottom, the pens are:

1. Pilot Myu 25, steel F nib. 
2. Conway Stewart 286, 14k-gold M+F, architect-like nib. 
3. Pilot Super 300 (?), 14k-gold manifold nib. 
4. Sheaffer's Balance full length, likely a Sovereign rather than the Statesman, 14k-gold F nib. 

 

Only the top pen is inked, for the others I used only the residual ink I asked the repairer to leave in for quick-testing purposes. 

 

Comments are welcome. 

 

Enjoy! 

 

 

[A Smug Dill]

This unbranded, slender (pocket?) pen with ‘fireblue’ metal barrel arrived yesterday, along with a Jinhao 82 and a couple more Jinhao 80 pens.

 

 

Hmmm, I see now that I got the same pen as this — which, well, must mean that @jinhaoboy (with a post count of 1, and hasn't been back since making that post 18 months ago) mustn't have actually have ordered/received a Delike Element, notwithstanding that the pen he received seemingly has a Delike nib unit fitted on it.

 

Edited November 25, 2022 by A Smug Dill

[AceNinja]

2 hours ago, A Smug Dill said:

along with a Jinhao 82 and a couple more Jinhao 80 pens.

Hi @A Smug Dill, how's the jinhao 82?  eager to see your comment / review on it at the Jinhao 82's thread.  

[A Smug Dill]

1 minute ago, AceNinja said:

Hi @A Smug Dill, how's the jinhao 82?  eager to see your comment / review on it at the Jinhao 82's thread.

 

Only inked it up last night, took ages (and a lot of effort) to get the ink in the converter — which I filled separately from the pen — to flow through to the nib; standing the pen on its cap for hours while we were out for dinner didn't do it. The plastic material of the pen body (including grip section) is slippery as all hell to me; I've never had such trouble with a Sailor pen. That's all I have to say about it right now.

[Misfit]

5 hours ago, A Smug Dill said:

This unbranded, slender (pocket?) pen with ‘fireblue’ metal barrel arrived yesterday, along with a Jinhao 82 and a couple more Jinhao 80 pens.

 

 

Hmmm, I see now that I got the same pen as this — which, well, must mean that @jinhaoboy (with a post count of 1, and hasn't been back since making that post 18 months ago) mustn't have actually have ordered/received a Delike Element, notwithstanding that the pen he received seemingly has a Delike nib unit fitted on it.

 

I couldn’t resist ordering one of these. I’ve noticed and like the Kaweco Lilliput and Supra in Fireblue, but the price has kept me away. 

[Number99]

On 11/25/2022 at 2:50 AM, OldTravelingShoe said:

Very glad I got these pens today... back from repair. (Many thanks to the specialist, he worked super-fast, I had the pens for a long time but took me a while until I found him in the Netherlands.) 

 

The pens had all sorts of issues, twisted nibs, broken ink sacs, as they do when you purchase from photos on eBay. 

 

Figure 1. The pens are glad. 

 

Figure 2. The pens rest.

 

Figures 1 and 2 depict the society of pens. Antorpomorphizing too much? 

 

From top to bottom, the pens are:

1. Pilot Myu 25, steel F nib. 
2. Conway Stewart 286, 14k-gold M+F, architect-like nib. 
3. Pilot Super 300 (?), 14k-gold manifold nib. 
4. Sheaffer's Balance full length, likely a Sovereign rather than the Statesman, 14k-gold F nib. 

 

Only the top pen is inked, for the others I used only the residual ink I asked the repairer to leave in for quick-testing purposes. 

 

Comments are welcome. 

 

Enjoy! 

 

 

Everything looks as if it were brand new.

 

Only two of these pens I understand.

I am operating a Vorex and I assumed that they have the same nib performance. So I have not inked my Myu Black (25) since I acquired it.

How does the line drawing of Myu Black (25) compare to Vorex?

 

I don't have any on the Pilot Super 300, but I do have a few in that family, if interpreted broadly.

Thinking of getting some nib variations randomly from these groups.

 

[OldTravelingShoe]

3 hours ago, Number99 said:

I have not inked my Myu Black (25) since I acquired it.

How does the line drawing of Myu Black (25) compare to Vorex?

I believe the nib in the Myu 25 and the Volex (Vorex?) are exactly the same line of nibs. The Fs look the same, work the same, and feel the same. So I think you can postpone inking your Myu 25, unless you want to try the different ergonomics of the two pens. 

 

3 hours ago, Number99 said:

don't have any on the Pilot Super 300, but I do have a few in that family, if interpreted broadly.

Thinking of getting some nib variations randomly from these groups

I have quite a few in the range Pilot 100, 200, and 300, and a few more that seem intermediate variants. I like them, and as a Pilot fan I can also recommend them. 

 

I too like to test their different nibs, the SOFT, POSTING, etc. @kamakura-pens wrote A field guide to Japanese Nibs and @troglokev wrote a Comparison of Pilot Elite nibs (both excellent, the latter also has visuals). 

 

Returning to the Pilot SUPER pens: @KBeezie has amazing stories on how to repair and use SUPERs, and wonderful photography; here's one sample. 

@PenHero has many examples on FPN and his website. Bruno Taut from Cronicas Estilográficas covers a few as well, e.g., the Family Portrait series. @stan would likely know how to answer anything you can ask about Japanese pens. 

 

The primer on Pilot SUPERs, as seen by @OldTravelingShoe, is over. It was with joy that I discovered this wonderful group of people and FPN, and it is with joy that I talk about them now. 

 

Update: And now I see you, @Number99, have contributed to at least one of these posts (with excellent links). Glad to find you, new (to me) expert 

😄

 

Edited November 26, 2022 by OldTravelingShoe
Updated to say Number99 is also one of the experts. Turns out I was preaching to the preacher, hehe.

[cat74]

todays mail contained a maroon Parker 45 with 14kt fine nib.

This is my first gold nib (wasn't listed as gold in the ebay listing!! - but when I cleaned and took the pen apart there was the 14k stamp!)

It also came with a fun converter - looks like the filling system from a 51/21 but as a detachable converter

 

I've seen a few videos espousing the benefits of gold nibs but I though with the shape etc. on a Parker 45 I wouldn't notice - maybe I was wrong? is it in my mind?

The fine feels smoother than my medium steel nib

 

The only issue was a portion of the  feed was broken inside the front shell - I was able to remove it and it still writes fine - sent an e-mail to pentooling to see if they have any 45 feeds to be safe!

 

A day or two ago the mail contained a JinhaoX159 which I am really enjoying and a nice green Parker 21 - I have 2 other 21's one of which is inked right now - but this new one was 'serviced' - is super clean with new sac etc. - maybe in a week or two I'll get it in rotation?

 

To add to the pen rabbit hole I've gone down I won an Eversharp Skyline today that looks great for the age from the listing photos - maybe it will arrive before X-mas? apparently it was fitted with a new sack -can't wait to give it a try!

 

 

[Number99]

5 hours ago, OldTravelingShoe said:

I believe the nib in the Myu 25 and the Volex (Vorex?) are exactly the same line of nibs. The Fs look the same, work the same, and feel the same. So I think you can postpone inking your Myu 25, unless you want to try the different ergonomics of the two pens. 

 

I have quite a few in the range Pilot 100, 200, and 300, and a few more that seem intermediate variants. I like them, and as a Pilot fan I can also recommend them. 

 

I too like to test their different nibs, the SOFT, POSTING, etc. @kamakura-pens wrote A field guide to Japanese Nibs and @troglokev wrote a Comparison of Pilot Elite nibs (both excellent, the latter also has visuals). 

 

Returning to the Pilot SUPER pens: @KBeezie has amazing stories on how to repair and use SUPERs, and wonderful photography; here's one sample. 

@PenHero has many examples on FPN and his website. Bruno Taut from Cronicas Estilográficas covers a few as well, e.g., the Family Portrait series. @stan would likely know how to answer anything you can ask about Japanese pens. 

 

The primer on Pilot SUPERs, as seen by @OldTravelingShoe, is over. It was with joy that I discovered this wonderful group of people and FPN, and it is with joy that I talk about them now. 

 

Update: And now I see you, @Number99, have contributed to at least one of these posts (with excellent links). Glad to find you, new (to me) expert 

😄

 

I'm just a chick who binges a little bit on things that look good.

 

I stand corrected, Volex seems to be the correct spelling, I had it confused with YOUNGREX.

 

For your information, I am attaching a translation of the reply to my inquiry to Pilot Corporation's customer service when I acquired the YOUNGREX Short, the so-called Myu family.

The model number and the official name of the pen are given.

Mu Black is Myu-25

Mu Combi Color Type is the color variation Myu-25 (so called Myu family).

YOUNGREX Short is also part of the so-called Myu family.

The translation from the translation app (Deep L) is shown verbatim; Mu should be read as Myu and Bolex as Volex.

Note that the image of my pen submitted to Pilot had a "3000円" price tag sticker on it.

 

 

Here is a translation of the response of the Pilot customer service to my inquiry;

 

ーThe fountain pen in the attached image is "Young Rex Short (FYR-300R-B)" which we have sold since 1980.

The "Bolex (FV-300S-B)", which uses stainless steel for the body and sheath (resin for the neck), is priced at the same price as the FYR-300R-B.

The "Bolex (FV-300S-B)" was also available at the same price.

 

The "Mu Black (M-250BS)" series was also available with a colored barrel.

The "Mu Black (M-250BS)" series was also available with a colored shaft.

The "Mu Combi Color Type (M-250MS)" was also available.

The scabbard is made of aluminum, anodized with silver pearlescent

The shaft (body and neck) is made of resin, and the colors of the shaft are "W: White", "NP: Neo Pink", "LG: Roll Green", and so on.

LG: Roll Green", etc. were available.ー

 

In addition, I recently acquired a short, open-nib fountain pen without a logo, with only a discreet "Pilot" stamped on the cap band.

I asked Pilot's customer service about this as well, and was told that it was an "Elite Tomo Short Type".

It seems that there was also an "Elite" fountain pen without the "Elite" mark.

 

I also received this reply, which is a different matter.

 

ーIn our company's internal documents, there was no "Myu25".ー

 

I was puzzled because Myu25 is already well established in the community of fountain pen enthusiasts, but I have personally adopted the Myu black (25) designation.

(There is also an international community of fountain pen enthusiasts who refer to Myu black as Volex.)

 

 

*Image borrowed from the product image at the time of purchase.

 

 

 

 

"Pilot Elite Tomo Short Type".

Tomo" is displayed in Japanese as "トモ(共)" and means "same," meaning that the cap, barrel, and section grips are the same color.

 

Edited November 26, 2022 by Number99
Additional image description. And I overlooked that the translation app (Deep L) offers two different translations of the same sentence with two different expressions. (I have left it as is, so please note the repeated wording)

[Number99]

3 hours ago, cat74 said:

todays mail contained a maroon Parker 45 with 14kt fine nib.

This is my first gold nib (wasn't listed as gold in the ebay listing!! - but when I cleaned and took the pen apart there was the 14k stamp!)

It also came with a fun converter - looks like the filling system from a 51/21 but as a detachable converter

 

I've seen a few videos espousing the benefits of gold nibs but I though with the shape etc. on a Parker 45 I wouldn't notice - maybe I was wrong? is it in my mind?

The fine feels smoother than my medium steel nib

 

The only issue was a portion of the  feed was broken inside the front shell - I was able to remove it and it still writes fine - sent an e-mail to pentooling to see if they have any 45 feeds to be safe!

 

A day or two ago the mail contained a JinhaoX159 which I am really enjoying and a nice green Parker 21 - I have 2 other 21's one of which is inked right now - but this new one was 'serviced' - is super clean with new sac etc. - maybe in a week or two I'll get it in rotation?

 

To add to the pen rabbit hole I've gone down I won an Eversharp Skyline today that looks great for the age from the listing photos - maybe it will arrive before X-mas? apparently it was fitted with a new sack -can't wait to give it a try!

 

 

Congratulations on getting the Parker45 with 14k gold nibs.

 

If you are not careful enough, the quantity of these pens will increase rapidly.

 

As for the feed, the genuine product is better, but if it is difficult to obtain, a fully functional Chinese copy pen feed, available for about 10USD, can be substituted (fully compatible as far as the black section grips are concerned).

 

Edited November 26, 2022 by Number99
Change of wording.

[cat74]

1 hour ago, Number99 said:

Congratulations on getting the Parker45 with gold nibs.

This pen will grow and grow if you are not careful enough.

 

As for the feeds, the genuine ones are better, but if they are hard to find, there are Chinese copy pens available for about 10 USD that are fully functional.

 

thanks! Turns out Pen Tooling did indeed have a feed for me - at $33 CAD (with shipping) it was more expensive than the pen!! BUT - still at or below if I knew I was bidding on a 14k nib all in - probably don't need the replacement feed as the partial appears to be working - but with a new one I know I'll be good for a long time!

 

Yes you are right - it looks like there is a chinese clone that sadly I could have bought for $13 CAD with free shipping and just used the feed from that - oh well, live and learn!

[jchch1950]

A friend send me a Parker 61 Signet. The pen is capillary filling and i a very good shape,the only problem is the missing gold arrow of the section. Does anybody know where I can buy a replacement arrow or the hole section?Thanks for your answers.😀

[inkstainedruth]

I've read that some people just painted the arrow on their 61s, because the arrows don't necessarily fit on a different section if you try to harvest one from a parts pen section.  (I'm considering doing that on the the 61 Flighter I got recently -- or possibly using artificial gold leaf, although I don't know how that will work in the long run for flushing/soaking the nib and feed as far as getting that to stay attached).

Depending on the color, you *may* be able to source a parts section with the arrow still intact.  I bought a spare 61 hood for one of the other 61s, but it turned out to not be quite the same color as my first 61.   So, that pen and the Flighter both remain arrow-less for the time being.

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[OldTravelingShoe]

18 hours ago, Number99 said:

I'm just a chick who binges a little bit on things that look good.

 

I stand corrected, Volex seems to be the correct spelling, I had it confused with YOUNGREX.

 

For your information, I am attaching a translation of the reply to my inquiry to Pilot Corporation's customer service when I acquired the YOUNGREX Short, the so-called Myu family.

The model number and the official name of the pen are given.

Mu Black is Myu-25

Mu Combi Color Type is the color variation Myu-25 (so called Myu family).

YOUNGREX Short is also part of the so-called Myu family.

The translation from the translation app (Deep L) is shown verbatim; Mu should be read as Myu and Bolex as Volex.

Note that the image of my pen submitted to Pilot had a "3000円" price tag sticker on it.

 

 

Here is a translation of the response of the Pilot customer service to my inquiry;

 

ーThe fountain pen in the attached image is "Young Rex Short (FYR-300R-B)" which we have sold since 1980.

The "Bolex (FV-300S-B)", which uses stainless steel for the body and sheath (resin for the neck), is priced at the same price as the FYR-300R-B.

The "Bolex (FV-300S-B)" was also available at the same price.

 

The "Mu Black (M-250BS)" series was also available with a colored barrel.

The "Mu Black (M-250BS)" series was also available with a colored shaft.

The "Mu Combi Color Type (M-250MS)" was also available.

The scabbard is made of aluminum, anodized with silver pearlescent

The shaft (body and neck) is made of resin, and the colors of the shaft are "W: White", "NP: Neo Pink", "LG: Roll Green", and so on.

LG: Roll Green", etc. were available.ー

 

In addition, I recently acquired a short, open-nib fountain pen without a logo, with only a discreet "Pilot" stamped on the cap band.

I asked Pilot's customer service about this as well, and was told that it was an "Elite Tomo Short Type".

It seems that there was also an "Elite" fountain pen without the "Elite" mark.

 

I also received this reply, which is a different matter.

 

ーIn our company's internal documents, there was no "Myu25".ー

 

I was puzzled because Myu25 is already well established in the community of fountain pen enthusiasts, but I have personally adopted the Myu black (25) designation.

(There is also an international community of fountain pen enthusiasts who refer to Myu black as Volex.)

 

 

*Image borrowed from the product image at the time of purchase.

 

 

 

 

"Pilot Elite Tomo Short Type".

Tomo" is displayed in Japanese as "トモ(共)" and means "same," meaning that the cap, barrel, and section grips are the same color.

 

This is great information, @Number99. So many things I did not know! 

 

I'm also unable to say where "Myu 25" comes from; perhaps it's a truncation of the M-250, a spelling mistake that simply propagated? Shall we switch to MU Black from now on?

 

The info on the "Pilot Elite Tomo" is also excellent. It clarifies where the information in Richard Binder's article/book on Japanese Pocket pens stops. 

 

The other bits are also great, but I haven't seen the colored versions on the market yet. 

[OldTravelingShoe]

18 hours ago, Number99 said:

I'm just a chick who binges a little bit on things that look good

Nice to meet you, @Number99. We're very much alike, in that I too like these blingy things called fountain pens. Short. From Japan. From the 1960s, 1970s, and (maybe) 1980s. The more the merrier! 😃