I got this pen today

[inkstainedruth]

I should probably stick my nose in one of the local Five Below stores around here.  I usually don't find good stuff like that, but when I was having problems with dizzy spells a few years ago, and got sent to an ENT specialist, that doctor gave me a bunch of exercises to do if I had more (basically stuff to retrain my brain) including tossing and catching a ball and while the ENT suggested a tennis ball, I was able to get a baseball from Five Below for cheap....

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[Misfit]

Hi Ruth, Five Below has knockoffs of the Lamy Joy in ombré colors, which I got earlier. They like to call them calligraphy pens. They do have a set of two pens, with multiple nibs from 1.1 into larger sizes. Other folks in a thread purchased a pack of 8 pens with mostly matching ink cartridges. They seem to take the Gullor ink cartridges. @amberleadaviscreated a thread on twenty five dollars at Five Below for having pens to keep in her car. That made me decide to go to Five Below to get pens I could leave in the car. 

[OldTravelingShoe]

On 11/11/2022 at 1:23 PM, PithyProlix said:

I had to inform (gloat about to, really) Richard Binder of a Mach GoGoGo pocket pen color that is not listed in his Japanese Pocket Pens book

Congratulations, @PithyProlix! Also, I had the same impulse the second I saw the pen... So I started reading the text and there the explanation was. Well done! 😁

[OldTravelingShoe]

On 11/11/2022 at 5:17 PM, A Smug Dill said:

Asvine P20; Jinhao 80

I like the 'avocado' Jinhao 80 quite a bit, thanks for sharing! I've just ordered a Jinhao X159 (the MB149 hommage) in the same color and think it's going to be great to have a pen to ink with Noodler's Harald's Hearse's for my EDC. 

[OldTravelingShoe]

On 11/12/2022 at 8:08 AM, A Smug Dill said:

 

That avocado-coloured Jinhao 80 has an EF nib. Most of the ones in other colours that are coming have gold-coloured 03 nibs on them, although just to complete the range of options — for comparison — one of them will have an F nib on it. The only Jinhao 80 I've been using has a black EF nib transplanted from a Jinhao 35 (in ‘stealth’ black), and that writes/draws surprisingly finely. I haven't tested any of the other (black with silver clip) Jinhao 35 pens I received some weeks ago.

 

Edit:

I have not yet received any of the Jinhao 80 pens that are factory-fitted with gold-coloured 03 nibs, but I do have a couple of Jinhao 1001 (desk) pens that have those nibs, as well as another couple of 1001 that have gold-coloured EF nibs. Just now, I inked up one of each (using a shared converter, actually) with Jacques Herbin Noir Abyssal. The 03 nib looks narrower to the eye than the EF nib; but, on paper, the EF nib writes significantly finer, even though the 03 is nominally 0.3mm and the EF nib nominally 0.38mm. I think the difference is caused by the pen with the 03 nib being significantly wetter, judging by the intensity of the black lines produced. The 03 nib barely makes the grade of a ‘Western EF‘, whereas the gold-coloured EF nib I tested performs on par with ‘Japanese EF’ nibs.

 

 

Excellent and useful review, thank you, @A Smug Dill! I was wondering about the Jinhao 1001, but now it looks clear the EF-nibbed are good for my learning how to sketch. 

[OldTravelingShoe]

Ok, so I don't really know what this pen is... It's a Sailor, styled like an Orca, with an unusual, Orca-nosed nib. I like its looks a lot... Anyone knows what this pen is? 

 

 

What I wrote about it a bit earlier:

 

P.S.: The cap says "SAILOR S" in all-caps. Perhaps this helps with identifying this pen? 

[Misfit]

I decided to put the cartridges in the pens I got from Five Below. One of them doesn’t seem to let the cartridge connect. Grrr

[Number99]

33 minutes ago, OldTravelingShoe said:

Ok, so I don't really know what this pen is... It's a Sailor, styled like an Orca, with an unusual, Orca-nosed nib. I like its looks a lot... Anyone knows what this pen is? 

 

 

What I wrote about it a bit earlier:

 

P.S.: The cap says "SAILOR S" in all-caps. Perhaps this helps with identifying this pen? 

Maybe this is it?

I can't explain it because I just found out about it through a search.

 

https://ameblo.jp/kamisama-samasama/entry-12435987757.html

 

https://ameblo.jp/kamisama-samasama/image-12130878741-13572257342.html

 

[OldTravelingShoe]

1 hour ago, Number99 said:

Maybe this is it?

I can't explain it because I just found out about it through a search.

 

https://ameblo.jp/kamisama-samasama/entry-12435987757.html

 

https://ameblo.jp/kamisama-samasama/image-12130878741-13572257342.html

 

Oh, fantastic, this must be it. The blue Sailor Rocket Deluxe, model K-201, originally ¥2,000 around 1955.

 

Many thanks indeed, @Number99! 🎉

[A Smug Dill]

2 hours ago, OldTravelingShoe said:

I was wondering about the Jinhao 1001, but now it looks clear the EF-nibbed are good for my learning how to sketch. 

 

You may want to note this tidbit, then:

 

[Number99]

36 minutes ago, OldTravelingShoe said:

Oh, fantastic, this must be it. The blue Sailor Rocket Deluxe, model K-201, originally ¥2,000 around 1955.

 

Many thanks indeed, @Number99! 🎉

For additional information.

The average starting salary for a college graduate at that time was 10000 JPY. (Pens are expensive)

 

This blog has described these pens multiple times as the Sailor Rocket and Sailor Deluxe series.

 

They still seem to be high-end pens from the days of Sakata Fountain Pens, before the company was officially named Sailor.

 

My guess is that Sailor's first (so-called pocket pen) Sailor Deluxe Mini may have been derived from these Sailor Deluxe. The appearance of the nib of another variation is similar.

 

It is difficult to search blogs, so it is difficult to read Japanese blog posts in their entirety.

It would take a huge amount of work to read all the articles on Sailor Deluxe and Sailor Rocket.

[Runnin_Ute]

Newton Majestic 1.1, Bob Dupras Brown Tortoise 

 

[OldTravelingShoe]

6 hours ago, A Smug Dill said:

 

You may want to note this tidbit, then:

 

Thank you, @A Smug Dill. Wonder what causes this discrepancy: simply different sizes established at design time or quality control. That the difference is so marked seems to indicate the former; but then... why this design choice?! 

[OldTravelingShoe]

5 hours ago, Number99 said:

For additional information.

The average starting salary for a college graduate at that time was 10000 JPY. (Pens are expensive)

 

This blog has described these pens multiple times as the Sailor Rocket and Sailor Deluxe series.

 

They still seem to be high-end pens from the days of Sakata Fountain Pens, before the company was officially named Sailor.

 

My guess is that Sailor's first (so-called pocket pen) Sailor Deluxe Mini may have been derived from these Sailor Deluxe. The appearance of the nib of another variation is similar.

 

It is difficult to search blogs, so it is difficult to read Japanese blog posts in their entirety.

It would take a huge amount of work to read all the articles on Sailor Deluxe and Sailor Rocket.

This is very relevant information, @Number99, thank you. If I would translate directly in my line of business, this would be a €500-600 pen when new.

 

Also, interesting point about the evolution Sakata-to-Sailor and the Mini (which I am still to acquire). 

[A Smug Dill]

On 11/22/2022 at 5:12 PM, OldTravelingShoe said:

Wonder what causes this discrepancy: simply different sizes established at design time or quality control. That the difference is so marked seems to indicate the former; but then... why this design choice?! 

 

The design choice would be to use the (already established) ‘standard’ 3.4mm-bore Jinhao converter in the model 1001 desk pens, which then constrains the diameter of the ‘nipple’ connector inside the grip section. I'd say it's a quality control issue, but the root cause is poor quality control of the industrial tooling; if the injection mould is out by just thaaat much (or little), then all the units produced with it will be too wide for the ‘standard’ 3.4mm-bore converters and stretch their ‘mouths’, or ports, when installed into model 1001 desk pens.

 

Edited November 24, 2022 by A Smug Dill
OOPS! MY MISTAKE. Both the Jinhao 1001 and the Jinhao 80 use 3.4mm-bore converters, not 2.6mm-bore ones. The arrival of a new Jinhao 82, which actually uses a 2.6mm-bore converter, alerted me to it.

[Number99]

4 hours ago, OldTravelingShoe said:

This is very relevant information, @Number99, thank you. If I would translate directly in my line of business, this would be a €500-600 pen when new.

 

Also, interesting point about the evolution Sakata-to-Sailor and the Mini (which I am still to acquire). 

This is only my personal opinion and half a joke, but it could be interpreted as Sailor botching the price.

However, considering that the fixed exchange rate against the US dollar at the time was 360JPY and the low wages of Japanese workers supported the postwar reconstruction, I think the price is reasonable.

[Number99]

5 hours ago, OldTravelingShoe said:

This is very relevant information, @Number99, thank you. If I would translate directly in my line of business, this would be a €500-600 pen when new.

 

Also, interesting point about the evolution Sakata-to-Sailor and the Mini (which I am still to acquire). 

This is the first edition of the Sailor Deluxe Mini Fountain Pen that I recently acquired.

Your pen looks more contemporary in design.

 

*Image borrowed from the product image when I acquired it and from the Sailor website.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Karmachanic]

12 hours ago, Number99 said:

it is difficult to read Japanese blog posts in their entirety.

 

Dunno if his is helpful, but Chrome and Brave browsers have built in translation capacity, and there are Firefox add-ons available.

[Number99]

11 minutes ago, Karmachanic said:

 

Dunno if his is helpful, but Chrome and Brave browsers have built in translation capacity, and there are Firefox add-ons available.

Thank you very much.

 

I would be fine.

I was going to say that because of the special search function of this Ameba blog, it is difficult for even me, a Japanese person, to read all the articles about Sailor Deluxe because they are scattered all over the blog and I have to browse "at random" to read them all.

I was curious because the translation was odd.

 

Thank you again.

[PithyProlix]

Posted here by mistake.

 

Please delete.