lower flow black or blu/blk ink for pens that flow a little too much??

[markh]

I have a few pens where despite my best tuning efforts (and I think I know what I'm doing) I can't quite tame a little too much ink ending up in the feed or on the paper.

 

Pelikan black is one choice that always seems to improve things. Looking for others, especially in the dark blues.

Recommendations??

 

thx,

 

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[A Smug Dill]

14 minutes ago, markh said:

Looking for others, especially in the dark blues.

 

ESS Registrars Ink

Diamine Registrar's Ink

Hero 232 blue-black ink

[arcfide]

Any of the dry iron galls would be what I would look at for a dark blue. 

[Eclipse157]

Platinum Blue Black

 

Pelikan 4001 Blue Black

[Schaumburg_Swan]

+1 to dry iron gall blue-black inks.

 

Some of my daily users are vintage eyedroppers, sometimes very wet by design - ESSRI and Diamine Registrar's work great here, as does Pelikan 4001 blue-black. The nibs and feeds are tuned well, too.

 

Best

Jens

[markh]

Thanks for the input. I've tried Pelikan blu/blk, which I think is a iron gall ink. The problem is that is "writes blue, dried black", just like the old days.

I'm looking for a "dry" ink that stays blue.

I don't think the Hero is a ig ink - I may have some around.

thx for help.

 

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[A Smug Dill]

15 minutes ago, markh said:

I don't think the Hero is a ig ink - I may have some around.

 

Oh yes, it is; and it's a “stronger” iron-gall ink than Pelikan 4001 Blue/Black.

 

Writing with either of them will not turn truly black after oxidation, though, even over several months. Some blue hue will remain; just not the same colour as when the ink is first laid on the page.

 

ESSRI and Diamine Registrar's Ink will turn relatively more black than the aforementioned two.

 

[arcfide]

Among the blue black iron galls, Platinum Blue Black tends to stay more blue than many others, but it will eventually, over time, go more black-grey. 

 

There are some of the KWZ IG blues that might suit, but they might be more wet. I don't know specifically as I haven't tried them out, yet. 

 

Have you considered Lamy Blue, Blue Black, or Pelikan 4001 royal blue? I get the impression from writing with them that they aren't the wettest, and even if they were a little more wet, they are unsaturated enough that I think you'd still get reasonable behavior. You said you wanted a dark blue, though, and that's where the blue blacks basically have the edge. I would also be willing to try Parker Quink or Waterman inks. They aren't the driest, but they are well behaved, so it might not matter as much. 

 

There's also the Crisp inks from Birmingham Pen company, which are supposed to be well behaved, which I take means they will tend to write a little drier. 

 

I think, in general, your best bet is to go with the older, traditional brands and colors from Parker, Waterman, Lamy, and Pelikan if you want to have the highest chance of success with minimal searching. 

[agentdaffy007]

Pelikan 4001 Blue-Black is very dry. Beautiful ink and color though.

 

If you want even drier, go with Pelikan 4001 Black. I used to have a firehose pen but I sold it. Now, I don't even use this ink because it is very very dry.

[LizEF]

Last night, in response to someone on Reddit looking for a blue-black that would not spread, I flipped through my ink review pages, looking for blue-blacks (and similar colors) to see which came closest to the line formed by Kyo No Oto Aonibi (which appears to keep the finest line I've seen).  Here are the results, with inks listed in reverse order (most recently reviewed first):

 

Diamine Registrar's Ink keeps a crisp line, possibly as good as Aonibi. Pelikan 4001 Blue-Black is not quite as crisp, but crisper than most. ESS Registrar's Ink is similar to Pelikan. Robert Oster Thunderstorm is good, too. Kaweco Midnight Blue is pretty good, not quite as crisp as the others, but better than average.

 

Callifolio Bleu Equinoxe (5) is very crisp, but you should sample it first, I had trouble with it drying on the nib - but with a wet nib, I suspect this wouldn't happen, but best to be sure.

 

Akkerman #09 Laan van Nieuw Oost-Indigo is also good. Lamy Blue Black is also. Surprisingly, so was Diamine 1864 Blue Black (which is really just black, unless you smear it). I'd sample this one, too - actually, I'd sample them all.

 

Sailor Souboku is pretty good (better than Seiboku). R&K Salix is right on par with Aonibi, maybe a sliver worse. Waterman Mysterious Blue was pretty good, too.

 

...I didn't include black inks in my analysis, but hopefully the above helps.

[markh]

4 hours ago, agentdaffy007 said:

Pelikan 4001 Blue-Black is very dry. Beautiful ink and color though.

 

If you want even drier, go with Pelikan 4001 Black. I used to have a firehose pen but I sold it. Now, I don't even use this ink because it is very very dry.

 

I agree about Pel Black - my go-to for black ink for over achieving pens.

 

Pel blue/black may be dry, but like most I.G. inks it dries to an almost black color. I was looking for a dry blue/black, or midnight blue, that stayed true, or truer, to its original color.

 

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[mtcn77]

On 11/17/2021 at 7:20 AM, markh said:

Pelikan black is one choice that always seems to improve things.

Hi,

I'm here to recommend something against common sense. I find Pelikan wet, Parker dry and KWZ saturated. In respective order of recommendations, Pelikan is good with my dry pen, Parker with my wet pen and KWZ on high quality paper. Each write okay when paired correctly.

 

First of all, KWZ Warsaw Dreaming is a really powerful ink - it can turn an EF into a broad medium; it is that saturated. However, it is dry-prone and on cheap paper, it penetrates the ink directly to the paper, not lubricating the nib tip thoroughly and is not smooth.

 

What's more, I want to say that Pelikan has a higher viscosity than Parker - checked it from two sources - and it writes wetter and more feathery on cheap paper. Thus, I paired Pelikan ink with my previously dry writing FC Loom and put Parker in my other gushing pen E-motion which tapered its line to a crisp consistency.

 

As I'm using regular notebook paper to reach my conclusions, I think when people state, "Pelikan is dry", they don't refer to it 'on cheap paper'.

 

This way I have better satisfaction out of my pens and would recommend 'dry inks' for dry pens and wet inks(low viscosity, low surface tension) for wet pens in reference to current terminology.

 

You could, of course, disregard my sentiment and end up with each pen doing its own thing, but I consider inks a worthy solution for pen flow woes.

[Bo Bo Olson]

On 11/17/2021 at 5:35 AM, A Smug Dill said:

 

ESS Registrars Ink

Look that up, it has one of the longest threads of all time....

 

I called it a sneaky ink, the sadly passed Sand1 called it mischievous.

(Unfortunately her heirs didn't know whom she was, so removed her pictures from her great work here on the com.)

It is a paper driven ink.

A good blue-black according to Richard turns from blue to black in @ 24 hours.

ESSR can do that while you watch, in a day or three or four. Depending on the paper.

 

On Eaton's Corrasable 16 lb, 25% rag Typewriter paper, it never changed..................and I really like that paper (one of the finest fountain pen papers I have)....being a typewriter paper it is really only one sided (bleeds like hell) . I think it was left over from my collage in the '70's back before the Golden Age of paper died in the '80's....pre-White-Out.

 

I once did a 17 pen from BB to EF, in both regular flex/semi-flex and so on, at least 15-20 paper ink scribble with that ink.

 

Most folks liked ESSR more than Diamine Register's ink.

Comes in a big 110ml plastic bottle. Not expensive back then, don't expect it to be now.