Pelikan m700 size?

[Waltz For Zizi]

Is the Pelikan toledo m700 the same size as a m400 or m600? Up until today I was with the impression that it is a m600 size pen, cause in the pictures I've seen the m700 nib is the same size as the m600, but I'm not so sure anymore. Can anyone shed a light?

[alfredop]

Same size as the M400.

 

Alfredo

[Waltz For Zizi]

Thank you. I so wanted it to be in the 600 range, since it is my preffered size. Bummer.

[ZeroDukE]

The M700 has the size of the M400.   The bigger Toledo pen, the M900 has the size of M800.

[Waltz For Zizi]

I've always based my assumption on this picture where they have the m700 nib after the m600 and thought they were the same size.

[A Smug Dill]

2 hours ago, Waltz For Zizi said:

I've always based my assumption on this picture where they have the m700 nib after the m600 and thought they were the same size.

 

Surely nobody would assume anything other than that the nibs shown are sorted in order of model number (as a numeric value, and without the M prefix)? The M300 nib is quite obviously smaller/shorter than the M250 and M400 nibs on either side of it; and the M300, as I understand it, is a smaller pen.

[alfredop]

6 hours ago, Waltz For Zizi said:

I've always based my assumption on this picture where they have the m700 nib after the m600 and thought they were the same size.

 

 

In your photo the nib of the M700 is the old style one (the others are modern), now it is equal to the one of the M400. Moreover this old style nib at the time was equal to the nib of the M600, that on the other side at the time had the same dimension of the M400 (I hope to have been clear and have not confused you :-)).

 

Ciao

Alfredo

[Bo Bo Olson]

I like the 400's '50-65 era semi-flex nib, which will fit either the 600 or a 400 or a 700.

(Suggest you get one for your 600. For a long time I ran a factory stubbed semi-flex in my 605, until I finally had it stubbed from BB to B/1.0.) Semi-flex B has more flair...is a Line Variation On Demand, instead of always. )

 

My 915 Toledo (800 size) is a very heavy pen.(My Large pens are plastic not metal) I think will find the 400/700 to be heavy also....unless one is use to using heavy metal pens.

 

Heaviness may give you a wider impression of girth.

Suggest trying one somewhere before buying.

 

Someday I'll get a  700....if I hit for 5 numbers in the lottery....and don't tell my wife about it.

I'd have to sell a lot of Pelikans....to have such a pen and not use it often is sacrilege.

I don't have that problem with my 915, in I don't have a lot of Large pens.

Could be I'll have less Large pens...therefore.

 

[Dutchpen]

Since the classifieds is broken for a long time, I’ll let everyone know that I have a M700 toledo (old style) available for sale.
 

Feel free to PM me when interested. 

[Bo Bo Olson]

If one looks closely at the nib sizes, the 600 is in the way of sizes, 400-600-700. Should be 150 then....200-250-400-700 as @ same size, then 600; -800;& -1000)

 

I have a small 18K and a medium-large 14K 600 (larger nib)., the old 600 nib is 400 size just 18K two toned.

All my 400's (as is my 250) are monotone; vintage and semi-vintage. I don't chase modern....sometimes one gets some.

 

My old 600's OBB writes 1/2 a width narrower than my 1005 OBB, as expected, in the latter is of the fatter nib era. (Nib width has little to do with nib length.)

 

[Pelikanyo]

On 10/20/2021 at 4:25 PM, Waltz For Zizi said:

Thank you. I so wanted it to be in the 600 range, since it is my preffered size. Bummer.

When it was created, the 700 was the size of the 600...the earlier 600!

Back then the 400 and 600 were the same size. Sorry 🙁

[Bo Bo Olson]

There was a long time when I had a vintage '50-54 actually semi-flex B nib on my 600, before getting the fat and blobby (baby bottomed) BB nib made to 1.0/B by Francis.

I like the modern 600's size and girth. It is a well balanced pen.

 

The earlier small 600 which I have in OBB is nothing but a fancy 400....fancy nib too, but it is regular flex like the rest of the '82-97 era 400/600/800 and 200's.

 

IMO one can not expect much line variation  from any obliques that are not stubbed semi-flex from an era ending in '65.  IMO the only obliques worth wasting money on.

I have Sad Stories of regular flex (even the tad springier W. Germany obliques) , or  nail obliques, that didn't cut the mustard.

I think it should be there and not 'hunted' for. ....if you don't have a real one '50-65....if one wishes to believe hard enough, one could perhaps find a tad more line variation than non oblique.......

 

I did end up with regular flex obliques even though I knew they didn't work................one was getting a W. Germany 200 OM  to see....and find out not quite what was hoped.

 The W.German 600 OBB was gotten because it was a small 600. The W.German 800  OM was the only 800 of the W. Germany era I could find. I had no hopes, but wanted the extra springy W.Germany nib and what am I to do. Have the nibs ground straight?

 

Some have sharper eyes or demand less; so are satisfied with non stubbed semi-flex oblique nibs.

I got spoiled early with my first factory stubbed Pelikan 140 OB. Back then a B/OB nib was 1/2 a width narrower than modern, so a writing pen nib not a signature pen nib.

 

[bunnspecial]

3 hours ago, Bo Bo Olson said:

MO one can not expect much line variation  from any obliques that are not stubbed semi-flex from an era ending in '65.  IMO the only obliques worth wasting money on.

I have Sad Stories of regular flex (even the tad springier W. Germany obliques) , or  nail obliques, that didn't cut the mustard.

I think it should be there and not 'hunted' for. ....if you don't have a real one '50-65....if one wishes to believe hard enough, one could perhaps find a tad more line variation than non oblique.......

 

I guess if you keep repeating the same things it must be true, even if you're shown evidence to the contrary.

 

I won't bother trying to show again...it's a lot of work to actually make and post writing samples that I know you'll ignore and, rather than responding with your own counter examples, will instead just post the same photos often of pens you don't own.

[Bo Bo Olson]

Which pens do you think I don't own?

 

The few I do post a few examples that I don't own, I do say I don't own them.

 

Give me a hand full....make it two..............I will admit to using someone else picture of my rolled Gold  MB 742. But I have it.I make lousy photos.

 

The '50-60 medium-large 146 has a maxi-semi-flex eyeballed OB.

 

1948-52 Italian Columbus, that I've not talked about in it needed repair.

I really can't help you don't own enough factory stubbed '50-60's German semi-flex or maxi-semi-flex pens, much less obliques to know the difference. I do know you have some MB's I just don't know if you have any '50-60's ones.  I also have a KOB MB 234 1/2 Deluxe (52-54 only)

 

Unfortunately, I do own enough post '70 non-semi-flex obliques to know the difference between having real line variation caused by a factory stubbed semi-flex oblique and a round nib regular flex oblique and the need to hunt for line variation......in Comparison.

Geha 780 green stripped, have a light and dark bodied 760, 4 790's.

I don't have the following red Geha 780 but it's a better photographed example of the green pen above....as I always say.

I didn't even know geha made a 780 unto three or four years ago. The Green one was for my pocket expensive but a got to have one.

Don't have this gold capped 780 either.....don't know if I've ever shown it as an example before or not.....on my one day list.

I have shown pictures of a Geha 725, I use Penboard's nib picture with permission. Great photo....shows what I nor others could.

Same goes for the pictures of the Fendomatick Safety pen, which I have permission, in my chasing is a slight tad different but one should see a good photo than a blur.

Mine.......

 

I have permission from Pen Time for using his wonderful MB Virginia Wolf pictures.

 

This picture was made of my Lamy 1990 Persona by Pendelton Brown...his writing after he took my worthless nail oblique OB and turned it into a real nice CI. I always say it's his writing....wouldn't want anyone to think I could write so well.

 

My cherry wood glass topped pen case....I do need another or another of the Pelikan one...I have pens still in pen cups.

The auction house picture of a near mint 600 OBB of the half cut off pen in right corner my three drawer glass topped pen case.

Do have a black and silver 1005 OBB also. Obvious not worth the effort to take the auction house photo from the computer to Imgur.

I've told the story of how I thought it was a 600 and paid too much for it, and a half a minute later found out I got that 1005 tcheap when the 600 came up...is what happens when one is too cheap to pay E-3 for a catalog.

I had wanted the 600 at all costs, and would have not bought the 1005 had I known it was that when the price went over E-130....E-200 was what I was willing to pay for a 600; that I paid 130 for.

As one can see when one has won a pen one can take a picture from the buying with out taking an even worse photo of it.

 

 

I fortunately come from before one carries his Brownie with him to prove he exists or actually sits in someone else's car claiming it his own...he has a picture of it!!!!

My dead brother had friends like that; doubting he lived in Germany for 12 or more years because he didn't have lots of stamps in his passport. I told him to drop such jerks, but he needed so called 'friends' more than he needed dignity.

The difference between old fashioned and modern times in my case, was six years of being oldeer.....from when one had inbred honesty until one's word is only worth a photo nothing more or less.

Mark the right corner of the lousy photo.  Top shelf that's half cut off.

 

 

 

 

Next to my Pelikan pen case is one of my two.....sigh cubed to clean pen cups.

 

Well I didn't show off my two pen cups next to the Pelikan pen box.

 

some pens in these too.

 

This is a pen I do not have but use as an example, a mid-late '30's Osmia Supra's matching Soennecken and MB. A decade ago I saw it go for E 350. Back when that was big money to any normal worker collecting fountain pens.

It's a grail pen.....a pure signature nib. BBBB or wider.

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When I buy a pen I get the photo IMO as part of the deal. My wife's never using Diplomat, silver plated with jumping horse and stirrup> Is silver plated, the light used by the seller made it look gold. Comes with a tennis racket style also clip.

 

Definitely something photographic I couldn't do with my Brownie.

 

Do have these two Boehler's...@ '38, but the big one just decided one day to crack apart.

I've three or so Osmia BCHR pens (I do tend to count Boehler pens of that era as Osmia.)........that I'd need to photograph for a doubter...........a real nice 76 with most to the Gold  Motorsport  still on it. (Wife went and got a handi (what we call a cell phone)  with a lens....perhaps some day I'll use a better Brownie.

 

Real nice 'no name' the first pen I spent E-70 on, is still the sharpest BCHR motive I have.

Nope not my picture, was part of the buying.

 

I'm sure I don't have any beer mugs, or inkwells either because someone doubts I have my pens. look up 'mancave'.

 

Writing example of the nibs he wants will wait for the year after next. In I want to keep my pens down to 7 inked to use more ink.

 

So to run my semi-flex obliques.....including OBB, OB, OM and OF in both the normal and the rarer 30 Degree grind which my doubter know nothing of will take many months....in I don't give much of a dam.

He does know watches.........but nothing of factory stubbed semi-flex obliques. No matter what pens he claims to have....if he can't see the obvious difference in pattern and ease of nib bend between the factory stub semi-flex era and later oblique pens.

 

 

 

Of these only the 915 Pelikan Hunter Toledo and the W.Germany 800 is of interest (to me). The 149 is just a W.Germany one.....with a regular flex nib............to me a clunky oversized pen. That I have a couple large 146's don't mean much. The medium-large 146 is IMO better balanced and it's maxi-semi-flex OB is a better nib than my '80-early 90's MB's.

 

The 146's (one looks to be OBB) are to me of less interest than the following prettier semi-flex pens.

These sixties second.third tier 'no name' Clipper semi-flex's are not stubbed...are normal American Bump Under round bottomed nibs.

My extra Blue has my maxi-semi-flex Rupp nib in it.

 

This is a regular factory stubbed semi-flex.

I have this Omsia-Faber-Castel @ 1950-51 mdl 540.........my maxi-semi-flex M is in steel.

 

It was the pen that started my obsession with fountain pens. No. I did not know it was maxi-semi-flex, nor did I know it was a semi-flex...it was just as it seemed what all noobies wanted 13 years ago, a real wet writer...........which of course what a maxi-semi-flex is.

So is semi-flex actually.

This is a Osmia often maxi-semi-flex Supra nib with the large diamond.....gasp, not my picture but have both gold and steel maxi-semi-flex nibs. One needed to show how the Supra nib looked.

 

This is not a pen of mine as I say....I use it very occasionally to show off what a semi-flex Osmia small diamond nib looks like. Is a stub of course.

 

I really like my MB 234 1/2 and Geha 725 which is a sleeker prettier classic pen, but it finished second to the 'uglier' pen in balance and come down to it....the KOB was just a tad more springy than the factory stubbed semi-flex F. I've showed enough pictures of those pens.

Have the '38 Parker vac with a '36 Canadian factory BB stub. But it needs a new sac...so don't get bragged much. I got it cheap in I had to burnish a 90 degree bent nib. little BoBo and the back end of his drill bit, with a thick pad of papers solved that problem.

I find the Vac a much prettier pen than the 51.

Geha 790

Bought with pen picture...pen's three real rings polished up easy. @ '59 three true ring 790.

 

I guess I should spend more time moving pictures from my computer to Imgure so I can bore even more people than I've bored now.....much more time making a photo documentary that  I could pay folks to look at.  Look at my face holding a fountain pen to it.

 

 

In the '50's on B&W TV they had these buy a two-massage unit commercial. I was 8-9-10 and could see what that one that strapped on the back of hand and ran over a shoulder could do. That skinny long one the pretty woman kept running over her cheeks was a real puzzlement in the innocent days of B&W TV days. A innocent boy thought one got more buzz for the buck on the one on the back of the hand for massaging cheeks.

 

Odd how times change, such a commercial couldn't' be shown now on regular TV....and if one can't selfy it didn't happen and you don't exist except to Santa Claus and the Taxman.

 

[bunnspecial]

I don't mean posting photos of pens, I mean show us what your pens can do rather than seeing photos of the same ones over and over.

 

As I said, if I make a statement I try to back it up with a writing sample.

 

BTW, yes I have several 30s-50s MB and Pelikan obliques. Off the top of my head I have a 100, a 254, and a 144. I write with the 100 and 254 a lot. The 100 is small for me, but I like the size much better than the 400 size. The 254 makes up for it in length. The 144 is just too small for me, although I love the nib. BTW, I've had a couple of OB/OBB 400NNs and I can't stand the size of the pen. I'm sure I'm just ignorant and unrefined and probably a ballpoint barbarian because I don't like pens that size.

 

I have shown writing samples of modern oblique nibs, and you have not acknowledged them but rather just responded with the same word salad as you always do.

 

I'm not doubting nor have I ever doubted that you have the pens you talk about. What I mean is that you ramble on about them and show us pens. I have YET to see you post a writing sample even though we get told all the time about how awful(insert pen you don't like) writes. I'd take this rambling a lot more seriously if you'd actually show what your pens PRODUCE, not the pens themselves.

[jayzuri]

On 10/25/2021 at 10:37 AM, Dutchpen said:

Since the classifieds is broken for a long time, I’ll let everyone know that I have a M700 toledo (old style) available for sale.
 

Feel free to PM me when interested. 

Sent a message 

[Bo Bo Olson]

On 12/31/2021 at 10:51 PM, bunnspecial said:

I can't stand the size of the pen. I'm sure I'm just ignorant and unrefined and probably a ballpoint barbarian because I don't like pens that size.

I do tend to push the better balanced posted standard and medium-long/large pens, in they are better balanced & many have no idea what balance is.

 

The 'large' 146 is about as large as I go, for second or more use. They are rather 'stately', but have fair balance..

Unlike my clunky 800 or 1005, or Cross Townsend, which sold when I get around to it.

 

I do understand those who grew up when large pens were all that one had outside the skinny 144, or Pelikan 400/200....(Know nothing of Japaneses pens)......

What irritates me, is they refuse to post to find out what good balance is.

 

I don't care much for fat pens, my 600 and MB 234 1/2 or Osmia 76 have nice girth with out becoming clunky.

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I will give you a dip and go of three; maybe 4 semi-vintage regular flex obliques that don't impress me. One is NOS and will stay that way.

 

In I don't use it....I will dip and go with my 500's maxi-semi-flex 30 degree grind eyeballed OBBB, and those 15 & 30 degree, OBB, OB, OM and OF nibs (to be gathered out of this or that pen box or velvet bracelet holder)...........................but not now.

 

I'm still lacking a pen box or two to be organized by brand...........

I'll have to decide on what ink to dip and go with and C.T will be the white paper.

When I get around to it. In I'm not Jumping for Joy to do it.

After all Rooster Scratch is better than Chicken Scratch, or so they tell me.