A plan for testing the composition of the pen nib

[Yao SongYi]

20 hours ago, Kaweco said:

我读对了吗？一家中国公司在德国购买最便宜的笔尖，在中国为自己的消费者生产昂贵的金笔尖，为世界市场生产钢笔，消费者被德国质量明显差的感觉欺骗了，因此德国应该对假冒产品负责? 这真的是关于为什么越来越多的假冒产品出现的故事的最有趣的版本。我一直认为假冒制造商觉得特别聪明，因为他们节省了开发成本，并在原产品的广告浪潮中游弋。

贺利氏当然在高品质笔尖的开发上投入了大量资金。锇变得非常昂贵，这可能导致 A1C 的生产停止。我确实相信 Heraeus 有充分的理由不想将其合金样品交给分析实验室。

这不是傲慢。

@InesF：我很确定姚明知道表面张力和润湿性之间的区别。这些术语与杨氏公式相关，但我不知道固体的表面张力。实际上，当颗粒具有延展性以至于不会破裂时，您对润湿性的实验测定的建议是可以的。

（我认为自动翻译有问题。）

但我很确定清洁 (!) 和光滑金属的润湿性差没有问题。金属携带电子，尤其是在表面，水性墨水是极性的。最后，静水压力将使笔尖上有足够的墨水。

真正的问题是脂肪和油的薄膜，它们来自家庭中的脂肪粉尘和手在部分衣领上冲洗的脂肪。我有一些用于 Pelikan 和 Kaweco 学校钢笔的历史悠久的维修套件，固定商店可以在内部进行短期维修或替代。在套件的每本手册中，我们都可以看到警告：“不要触摸饲料或笔尖！” 墨水流量将受到限制。这也涉及到我们的笔友提出的尝试修复错位尖齿的建议。最危险的是用通常含有巴西棕榈蜡的金属抛光油脂处理笔尖。这种疏水性化合物将进入饲料以及饲料和笔尖下方的区域。

亲切的问候

托马斯

A bad translation software completely disrupted my logic, maybe I should improve my English as soon as possible.

 

Counterfeit manufacturers are indeed cunning, but what I want to say is "false German made", that is, some sellers will claim that their nibs are made in Germany but they are not.

 

Those fake nibs do not counterfeit German trademarks, but they will be marked "Iridinum Point Germany" on the stainless steel nibs.

 

For the above example, what I want to illustrate is that German iridium particles do not have a particularly large market in China, because German iridium particles are much more expensive than China's.

 

Similarly, we will not ask Heraeus to provide the specific ingredients of their iridium particles.

 

After the future tests are completed, we are not going to imitate the Heraeus iridium granule formula.

 

Our test is only to make sure that the model can correspond to the nib of a certain brand. The wear-resistance or non-wear-resistance of some nibs lies in the model used. We can deduce the durability of a certain iridinum granule model based on feedback from users of existing brands degree.

 

The purpose of our contact with Heraeus was to purchase more durable iridium particles. We will not use it to steal formulas after they are purchased.

 

We even offered to provide our own formula of iridium particles, which is a traditional formula of iridium osmium platinum, developed in the 1960s. We wanted to hand it over to Heraeus for processing because they have a better processing technology, but this request was not answered, which made us very disappointed.

 

[Yao SongYi]

On 2021/8/16 at PM6点27分, Kaweco said:

我读对了吗？一家中国公司在德国购买最便宜的笔尖，在中国为自己的消费者生产昂贵的金笔尖，为世界市场生产钢笔，消费者被德国质量明显差的感觉欺骗了，因此德国应该对假冒产品负责? 这真的是关于为什么越来越多的假冒产品出现的故事的最有趣的版本。我一直认为假冒制造商觉得特别聪明，因为他们节省了开发成本，并在原产品的广告浪潮中游弋。

贺利氏当然在高品质笔尖的开发上投入了大量资金。锇变得非常昂贵，这可能导致 A1C 的生产停止。我确实相信 Heraeus 有充分的理由不想将其合金样品交给分析实验室。

这不是傲慢。

@InesF：我很确定姚明知道表面张力和润湿性之间的区别。这些术语与杨氏公式相关，但我不知道固体的表面张力。实际上，当颗粒具有延展性以至于不会破裂时，您对润湿性的实验测定的建议是可以的。

（我认为自动翻译有问题。）

但我很确定清洁 (!) 和光滑金属的润湿性差没有问题。金属携带电子，尤其是在表面，水性墨水是极性的。最后，静水压力将使笔尖上有足够的墨水。

真正的问题是脂肪和油的薄膜，它们来自家庭中的脂肪粉尘和手在部分衣领上冲洗的脂肪。我有一些用于 Pelikan 和 Kaweco 学校钢笔的历史悠久的维修套件，固定商店可以在内部进行短期维修或替代。在套件的每本手册中，我们都可以看到警告：“不要触摸饲料或笔尖！” 墨水流量将受到限制。这也涉及到我们的笔友提出的尝试修复错位尖齿的建议。最危险的是用通常含有巴西棕榈蜡的金属抛光油脂处理笔尖。这种疏水化合物将进入饲料以及饲料和笔尖下方的区域。

亲切的问候

托马斯

These nibs are made in China, but most of them are exported to Europe, and these nibs are almost unavailable in China. Maybe I can't say that the producers deceive consumers because they have never advertised that it is from Germany in Chinese advertisements.

This should be the request of Party A, and perhaps a low-end pen manufacturer intends to do so.

[Kaweco]

Thank you very much for your responds which clarify a lot.

On 8/18/2021 at 1:18 PM, Yao SongYi said:

................These nibs are made in China, but most of them are exported to Europe,...................

 

But let me add a little question: This nib reminds me, in the imprint and the design surround, in a nib made by Mutschler,  actually made in Germany. Mutschler went to bancrupty in 2006. Bock, who was a local competitor, took over the nib and feed making capacities from Mutschler. Bock and Mutschler, and later Bock alone, made nibs for many trade marks. Much more than we can find here in listings. In each quality, material and in each price class. Which fountain pen maker in Europe could be in need to import nibs from China? For sure, many nibs from China have an outstanding quality but these "Iridium Point Germany" and "Iridium Point Paris" are not among them.

Kind Regards

K

[Yao SongYi]

17 hours ago, Kaweco said:

非常感谢您的回复，这澄清了很多。

 

但让我补充一个小问题：这个笔尖让我想起，在印记和设计周围，在一个 Mutschler 制造的笔尖中，实际上是在德国制造的。Mutschler 于 2006 年破产。当地竞争对手 Bock 从 Mutschler 手中接过了笔尖和饲料生产能力。Bock 和 Mutschler，以及后来的 Bock 独自为许多商标制造了笔尖。比我们在列表中可以找到的要多得多。在每个质量、材料和每个价格等级。欧洲哪家钢笔制造商可能需要从中国进口笔尖？当然，很多来自中国的笔尖质量非常出色，但这些“Iridium Point Germany”和“Iridium Point Paris”不在其中。

亲切的问候

钾

These nibs are produced in Jiangxi and Taiwan. Including India, it is produced, and it is almost exactly the same as using China's No. 26 specifications. The pen tongue and plastic sleeve are produced in mainland China and Taiwan Province. (The quality of the pen tongue made in Taiwan is better)

 

If this is not a unified requirement, it is hard to imagine why products from different regions are so consistent and used for export.

 

The price of these nib sets is only a few cents to one yuan, which is even lower than the processing fee of acrylic pen holders. It can be said that this is the best choice for low-end pen manufacturers.