A quote a day (or whatever stuff whenever I can)

[PuliMorgan]

[PuliMorgan]

[PuliMorgan]

 

The first quote with my new Lamy 2000

 

🙂

[Mercian]

On 9/19/2021 at 10:54 AM, PuliMorgan said:

The first quote with my new Lamy 2000

I ♥️ my 2000.

What nib-grade does yours have?

 

Also, which ink is that? Is it Lamy Black? Or have you now moved-on to something else?

[PuliMorgan]

10 hours ago, Mercian said:

I ♥️ my 2000.

What nib-grade does yours have?

 

Also, which ink is that? Is it Lamy Black? Or have you now moved-on to something else?

 

Fine nib. 

 

Yes. Lamy black. I tried several other black inks, but none could match the darkness of Lamy black. 

 

Do you have any other black ink suggestions?

[Mercian]

13 hours ago, PuliMorgan said:

Do you have any other black ink suggestions?

My 2000 is also an 'F'
 

For black ink that is 'very black', I have three recommendations:

Recommendation #1
The darkest/'blackest' black ink that I have used so far is Noodler's Black.
It is what Noodler's calls 'bulletproof', being an ink that chemically-bonds to the cellulose in the paper (or in cotton clothing, or wooden table-tops, etc).
It is very black. I see no 'shading' with it, only a 'flat' line that is completely black.
It is free-flowing, it resists feathering, has never spread or bled-through paper for me, and it is lightfast and it is waterproof.
Its only 'de-merit' for me was that it does cause nib-creep, on nearly all of my pens.
I bought a bottle of it back in 2013 or 2014. I don't use black ink very often, and after seven-eight years, the ink in my bottle has eventually started to 'de-nature'.
I recently found that it would not write in my two 'EF' Lamy Z50 nibs, and would no longer work in the Parker "51" in which I had used it happily since buying it. On all three of those pens my old ink dried on the nib. I then tried it in a pen with an 'F' Lamy Z50 nib, and it still worked flawlessly.
Oh, one more thing that I must say about it - it is one of only two inks that I have tried that didn't stain the clear sac in my aerometric "51".
If you use a lot of black ink (or even 'only' enough to use up 90ml of ink within 7 years), I strongly recommend Noodler's Black. Not just for its darkness, permanence, and its great performance on bad paper, but also because it is really easy to clean out of all the pens in which I have used it. No detergent needed, just a rinse with plain water.
Caveat lector - other people have reported inconsistency between batches of Noodler's inks, including the Black. I urge you to read reviews of it on here, and only then decide whether or not you are happy to buy it.

I must also say this:
When I was looking for a different 'very black' ink to use with my EF nibs, I decided not to buy another bottle of Noodler's Black.
I wanted to try something else.
So I read through reviews on here, and eventually bought a bottle of...

Recommendation #2
Sailor Kiwa Guro.
This is an ink that is made with very-finely-ground pigment. Some people call it 'nano-particle' or 'nano-pigment' ink.
The fact that is made from pigment (and not dyestuff) means that it ought to be very lightfast, and very 'permanent'/waterproof. It also means that I am going to have to great greater care with it in my pens - never letting one dry-out, and making sure to clean them thoroughly after using it.
I am already used-to using Iron Gall ink, so this does not 'scare' me.

So far, I have only used my Kiwa Guro in a c/c Parker pen.
The words I wrote with it do not appear to be as black on the page as Noodler's Black, but they do have a unique graphite-type sheening quality.
I settled on the Sailor Kiwa Guro after reading reviews on here of the other 'permanent' black inks - Platinum Carbon Black (another 'nano-particle' ink), and the Rohrer & Klinger Dokumentus ink and De Atramentis Document Black (I may have those names the wrong way around).

Recommendation #3
If you don't require very-long-lasting permanence from your black ink, only 'blackness', many people recommend Aurora Black as being a well-behaved and 'very black' dye-based ink.
I have never used it, so I cannot comment on how 'black' it is.
I will though also recommend Pelikan Edelstein Onyx for use in your Lamy 2000. Unsurprisingly, it is almost exactly the same 'colour' of black as Pelikan 4001 'Brilliant Black'. It is not as black as Noodler's Black, but it is not an ink that you would look at and think 'that's not black'.
The reason that I recommend it for your 2000 is that Pelikan puts an ingredient in Edelstein inks that lubricates the pistons of their pens.

Most Important Recommendation
The best starting-pint for you may be to go to the 'Inky Thoughts' forum, and look in this post for the many threads on the topic of 'What is the blackest black ink?'.

I strongly recommend that you read a few reviews of each of these inks before buying one.
Each ink has its idiosyncrasies, and you may find that one of them is a 'deal-breaker' for you.
E.g. I chose to buy Kiwa Guro as my 'permanent' 'very black' black, despite one of the reviewers on here having mentioned that it always causes extensive nib-creep on his Lamy 2000.
I am used to nib creep from my Noodler's Black, and in the reviews of the other 'permanent' blacks I saw mentions of bleedthrough/feathering, or hard-starting.
Of those three 'faults', I prefer to have to 'cope with' nib-creep. But, if you simply hate nib-creep, you may very well prefer to choose a different ink.

I wish you good luck in your quest for your 'blackest black' ink

Slàinte,
M.

Edited September 21, 2021 by Mercian
Edited for FFEs.

[PuliMorgan]

On 9/22/2021 at 2:56 AM, Mercian said:

My 2000 is also an 'F'
 

For black ink that is 'very black', I have three recommendations:

Recommendation #1
The darkest/'blackest' black ink that I have used so far is Noodler's Black.
It is what Noodler's calls 'bulletproof', being an ink that chemically-bonds to the cellulose in the paper (or in cotton clothing, or wooden table-tops, etc).
It is very black. I see no 'shading' with it, only a 'flat' line that is completely black.
It is free-flowing, it resists feathering, has never spread or bled-through paper for me, and it is lightfast and it is waterproof.
Its only 'de-merit' for me was that it does cause nib-creep, on nearly all of my pens.
I bought a bottle of it back in 2013 or 2014. I don't use black ink very often, and after seven-eight years, the ink in my bottle has eventually started to 'de-nature'.
I recently found that it would not write in my two 'EF' Lamy Z50 nibs, and would no longer work in the Parker "51" in which I had used it happily since buying it. On all three of those pens my old ink dried on the nib. I then tried it in a pen with an 'F' Lamy Z50 nib, and it still worked flawlessly.
Oh, one more thing that I must say about it - it is one of only two inks that I have tried that didn't stain the clear sac in my aerometric "51".
If you use a lot of black ink (or even 'only' enough to use up 90ml of ink within 7 years), I strongly recommend Noodler's Black. Not just for its darkness, permanence, and its great performance on bad paper, but also because it is really easy to clean out of all the pens in which I have used it. No detergent needed, just a rinse with plain water.
Caveat lector - other people have reported inconsistency between batches of Noodler's inks, including the Black. I urge you to read reviews of it on here, and only then decide whether or not you are happy to buy it.

I must also say this:
When I was looking for a different 'very black' ink to use with my EF nibs, I decided not to buy another bottle of Noodler's Black.
I wanted to try something else.
So I read through reviews on here, and eventually bought a bottle of...

Recommendation #2
Sailor Kiwa Guro.
This is an ink that is made with very-finely-ground pigment. Some people call it 'nano-particle' or 'nano-pigment' ink.
The fact that is made from pigment (and not dyestuff) means that it ought to be very lightfast, and very 'permanent'/waterproof. It also means that I am going to have to great greater care with it in my pens - never letting one dry-out, and making sure to clean them thoroughly after using it.
I am already used-to using Iron Gall ink, so this does not 'scare' me.

So far, I have only used my Kiwa Guro in a c/c Parker pen.
The words I wrote with it do not appear to be as black on the page as Noodler's Black, but they do have a unique graphite-type sheening quality.
I settled on the Sailor Kiwa Guro after reading reviews on here of the other 'permanent' black inks - Platinum Carbon Black (another 'nano-particle' ink), and the Rohrer & Klinger Dokumentus ink and De Atramentis Document Black (I may have those names the wrong way around).

Recommendation #3
If you don't require very-long-lasting permanence from your black ink, only 'blackness', many people recommend Aurora Black as being a well-behaved and 'very black' dye-based ink.
I have never used it, so I cannot comment on how 'black' it is.
I will though also recommend Pelikan Edelstein Onyx for use in your Lamy 2000. Unsurprisingly, it is almost exactly the same 'colour' of black as Pelikan 4001 'Brilliant Black'. It is not as black as Noodler's Black, but it is not an ink that you would look at and think 'that's not black'.
The reason that I recommend it for your 2000 is that Pelikan puts an ingredient in Edelstein inks that lubricates the pistons of their pens.

Most Important Recommendation
The best starting-pint for you may be to go to the 'Inky Thoughts' forum, and look in this post for the many threads on the topic of 'What is the blackest black ink?'.

I strongly recommend that you read a few reviews of each of these inks before buying one.
Each ink has its idiosyncrasies, and you may find that one of them is a 'deal-breaker' for you.
E.g. I chose to buy Kiwa Guro as my 'permanent' 'very black' black, despite one of the reviewers on here having mentioned that it always causes extensive nib-creep on his Lamy 2000.
I am used to nib creep from my Noodler's Black, and in the reviews of the other 'permanent' blacks I saw mentions of bleedthrough/feathering, or hard-starting.
Of those three 'faults', I prefer to have to 'cope with' nib-creep. But, if you simply hate nib-creep, you may very well prefer to choose a different ink.

I wish you good luck in your quest for your 'blackest black' ink

Slàinte,
M.

 

Thank you @Mercian for the detailed recommendations.

 

I have already stretched my hobby budget by treating myself with these inks (Noodler's inks are very expensive here in India) and now with the Lamy 2000 (US$ 230 in India). So I would be careful with choosing another ink. Noodler's Black is selling at $45 and Sailor Kiwo for $29. Also, ink permanence is not a criteria for me when it comes to black.

 

I had considered Noodler's Black once, but since my office traditionally prefers blue inks for signatures, I settled for Noodler's Baystate Blue for its colour and waterproofness, and for Krishna Lyrebird Water Sapphire for its cost effectiveness (My review of these inks here: https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/361054-noodlers-baystate-blue-ink-versus-krishna-lyrebird-water-sapphire-water-bleach-resistance/

 

Baystate Blue is said to cause some nib / feed damage and I use it only in cheap pens like Camilin Elegante and Pilot Metropolitan. Krishna Ink is filled in my Kanwrite Desire. (I had one more custom ordered Kanwrite Desire with ebonite feed filled with Baystate Blue ink, but someone stole it from my office table 🙁)

 

I settled for Lamy Black as my regular everyday work ink for its blackness, free flowing smoothness and cost effectiveness and I am overall happy with it. Also I am not sure if I am upto high maintenance inks like Noodler's or Kiwoguro. Anyway Sailor Kiwoguro is available in the local William Penn store. Let me see if I can get a bottle when circumstances are right.

[PuliMorgan]

[Detman101]

11 hours ago, PuliMorgan said:

THAT...is awesome! 👍

[PuliMorgan]

 

Top: Fine nibbed Lamy 2000, Lamy black ink, before figuring about the sweet spot. Wrote it on the day I bought the pen.

 

Bottom: Same pen, same ink, after figuring out the sweet spot. 

 

Paper: Camlin Premio notebook 70 GSM. 

 

 

[PuliMorgan]

 

One with Kanwrite Legacy Extra Fine nib, the other with Lamy 2000 Fine nib. Guess which is which?

[PuliMorgan]

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[PuliMorgan]

 

USA's pavilion is one of the best at Dubai Expo 2020.

[ParramattaPaul]

While it isn't handwritten this quote -- poached from an associate's signature line -- was too good to not share.  It should be a caveat posted at the top of each page of some of the discussions we have had here.

 

The quote:  Please note that any views expressed in this post may be those of the
originator and do not necessarily reflect those of the reader.

[inkstainedruth]

Oh, that IS a good quote!  (I read it to my husband and he was also amused by it.)

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[PuliMorgan]

 

Wrote this absentmindedly while waiting for the kid to finish her school work 🙂

[PuliMorgan]

[PuliMorgan]

 

I am falling in love with my Lamy 2000 as I write more and more with it...