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I've always taken "supports" as meaning that it "leads to", "allows", "increases".  @InesF's conclusions make sense to me - experientially and logically.  @mtcn77's statements here (and in my Diamine Registrar's Ink thread) just confuse me.  I'm thinking something is getting lost in the translation.  @mtcn77, have you done measurements?  If so, do you have a thread where you've reported your methods and results, like @InesF does in this thread?

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  On 1/17/2022 at 3:22 PM, LizEF said:

I've always taken "supports" as meaning that it "leads to", "allows", "increases".  @InesF's conclusions make sense to me - experientially and logically.  @mtcn77's statements here (and in my Diamine Registrar's Ink thread) just confuse me.  I'm thinking something is getting lost in the translation.  @mtcn77, have you done measurements?  If so, do you have a thread where you've reported your methods and results, like @InesF does in this thread?

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I think it would be best if I start a thread on Pelikan 4001 Black and Parker Quink Black. Need some time for this.

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It's certainly a very complex and nuanced subject. The whole concept of using "wet" inks in dry pens is turned on its head when surface tension determines that Waterman Serenity Blue is not "wet", when to a laymen it is subjectively "wet" in that it gets plenty of ink out of the pen and onto the paper, and turns dry pens into "wet" ones. 🙃

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  On 1/18/2022 at 12:54 AM, RJS said:

It's certainly a very complex and nuanced subject. The whole concept of using "wet" inks in dry pens is turned on its head when surface tension determines that Waterman Serenity Blue is not "wet", when to a laymen it is subjectively "wet" in that it gets plenty of ink out of the pen and onto the paper, and turns dry pens into "wet" ones. 🙃

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Don't forget that each individual is unique in the pens, papers, handwriting techniques, even environmental factors they're using.  What @InesF is doing here is making actual measurements and reaching fact-based conclusions.  Just because one person says an ink is "wet" doesn't mean that compared to the average of all inks in the galaxy that it actually is wet.  For that matter, the person making that claim may not actually know what they're talking about (flow vs lubrication vs dry time vs other visual factors).  Their version of a dry pen may be someone else's version of an average pen. Etc., etc., etc.

 

IMO, you have to look at the basis for anecdotal or subjective claims / observations and take them with a grain of salt, as they say.  Even after doing 161 ink reviews, I don't trust my subjective evaluation all that much.  I wish I could go back in time, take more science classes, and start out using methods that I now think would be factual rather than subjective, but it's a bit late for that, and I can't justify the cost or the time to change or start over...

 

Anywho, just my two cents.  Yes, it's complex, and the most complex part of it is the human's perception.

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Nice post, Liz 👍 
 

Should the term wetness be linked to surface tension? There doesn't appear to be a clear definition of the meaning of the word. We (mostly) all perceive poorly lubricated inks to be dry, and probably inks that skip on coated paper might feel dry too. Viscosity across inks, from the excellent testing carried out here, are mostly much of a muchness. 
 

Playing around with a few inks I have loaded up- the fact that the Serenity Blue sits on top the paper glistening away rather than drying on impact as others do, makes me perceive it as wet too. It flowed smoothly, and lots of ink is evidently sitting on the paper. I don't know how we'd measure flow rate out of a nib onto paper, but it's surly a component of wetness. Lubrication, flow and viscosity combine to make a wet feeling ink, but the wetting ability/spread/surface tension of ink is also a facet of wetness too.  
 

This article discusses wetness as a perceived concept, and was quite an interesting read. 

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  On 1/18/2022 at 3:14 AM, RJS said:

Should the term wetness be linked to surface tension?

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Apparently it should be linked to three things (surface tension, viscosity, and pH).  The difficulty is that we don't all have training and instruments to measure these things.  Better would be if we called it what it is - flow or flow rate or rate of ink flow.

 

  On 1/18/2022 at 3:14 AM, RJS said:

We (mostly) all perceive poorly lubricated inks to be dry, and probably inks that skip on coated paper might feel dry too.

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Yes, and I've learned the difference between flow and lubrication, and how hard it is to learn to distinguish them.  Not sure about the inks that skip on coated paper - I don't have enough experience there - I wonder if it's more the nibs that are causing the inks to skip.

 

  On 1/18/2022 at 3:14 AM, RJS said:

the fact that the Serenity Blue sits on top the paper glistening away rather than drying on impact as others do, makes me perceive it as wet too

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Yes, this is the problem with not having instruments other than our eyes. :)

 

  On 1/18/2022 at 3:14 AM, RJS said:

It flowed smoothly, and lots of ink is evidently sitting on the paper. I don't know how we'd measure flow rate out of a nib onto paper, but it's surly a component of wetness.

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See above.  Rate of flow is wetness (at least, it's what I've always understood it to mean).  I think the only way to measure the actual rate is scientifically, like InesF is, reducing as many variables as possible.  I think one of those machines that write (can't remember the name right now), consistent paper, and measuring the volume of ink (by weight) that comes out in a fixed length of time - or perhaps how many mm you can get from a given volume might be other options.  Again, difficulty here is time, training, and money.  (As if that weren't always the problem with everything.)

 

  On 1/18/2022 at 3:14 AM, RJS said:

This article discusses wetness as a perceived concept, and was quite an interesting read. 

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Looks interesting, but not something I have access to, and I'm not sure I'm willing to pay for access - at least, not right now. :) But thank you.

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Thank you all for the discussion and for sharing your experiences.

You have my attention, I continue to read with great interest!

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  On 1/17/2022 at 11:30 AM, mtcn77 said:

We can test it out, I'd just ask you to write the same summary for high surface tension inks

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@mtcn77, I did my job. Looking forward to your measurement results!

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  On 1/18/2022 at 3:14 AM, RJS said:

the fact that the Serenity Blue sits on top the paper glistening away rather than drying on impact as others do, makes me perceive it as wet too

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Remember that the width of your pen can have a big difference here. In finer nibs, inks with a higher surface tension will be able to bead on the paper easily enough along the entire line that the line will appear glistening for longer. However, take that same ink (in fact a dry ink) and put it into a nib that spreads the ink out, such as a Music nib or a wide 1.5mm stub nib. Now, that same ink will actually be putting *more* ink down on the page, but will appear drier, will not glisten, and will feel as dry as the ratings suggest. As long as you keep your nibs small enough to not break the surface tension too much, then the inks will appear glistening on the page, but once you break that, you'll need less surface tension to get the same feeling of wetness. In the case of the stub, the pen has a larger bead of ink, but that bead of ink is stuck to the nib until the nib is lifted, and only what is left remains as the line for most of a stroke. 

 

Serenity Blue is considered a solid performing ink, but its use by some famous nibmeisters and the like is more about consistency and lack of crazy properties than being a wet ink. It's a standard, good ink that is very reliable and that's why it has a good reputation. It's reputation for wetness is actually middle of the road if you read up on what a lot of people think. 

 

However, you can readily see the difference in a wet ink vs a dry ink if you take something like a dry IG ink with a high surface tension and then introduce something like White Lightning, which contains surfactants that lower the surface tension. You won't notice as much difference in narrow nibs, because even when dry, you can still get that bead effect from the ink, but in a wide stub nib, the difference is massive. 

 

So, if you take a dry writing 1.5mm stub (or even larger) and compare the wet vs. dry inks, I think you'll notice the difference much more. Then you'll see how Serenity Blue or Parker Black can be thought of as more dry. 

 

The reason this might be confusing is that with narrower nibs, a dry ink may bead up on the paper more than a wet ink, even though less ink may actually be flowing out of the pen. This means that the dry ink will "glisten" a little bit more than some of the wetter inks on some paper and some nibs. Some ultra-wet inks are so wet that they instantly penetrate the paper and leave no glistening at all. Two great inks to see this difference would be Parker Quink Black and Sailor Black. Parker Quink is quite dry, but in narrow nibs it can bead up in wet pens. Whereas Sailor Black has a distinctly different surface tension, which might not bead as much on some papers, but if you widen out that nib, the Parker quickly reaches a point where it lays down a much less saturated line because the ink isn't sticking to that area of the page as much, while the Sailor Black can just flow and spread out evenly even with relatively large nibs. Jacques Herbin Noir Inspiration is an example of an ink that is almost too wet, because it begins penetrating the paper and feathering more easily. 

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Thank you all, @LizEF, @RJS, @arcfide, @mtcn77 for your recent contributions! I appreciate a lot!

 

Not directly replying, please allow me a more general statement.

The title of this thread has the word "alternative" in it. I choose it in late March 2020, some weeks before posting anything about ink wetness.

 

The results of the first five measured inks did point me towards a probable cause for more or less ink laid down by a fountain pen. To my surprise, and proofed by meanwhile 49 inks measured, the cause was not supporting former theories and impressions. At all honesty, I do not know an alternative term for the word alternative.

 

The summary posted at November 28th 2021 is the literal description (transcription?) of the statistics results obtained from physical and chemical measurements.

 

It helped me (yes, me!) a lot in understanding fountain pen ink behaviour. Based on those data, I'm meanwhile able to predict the writing behaviour of a certain ink if I know its key properties.

 

I'm totally fine and I encourage other findings and, especially, fully acknowledge other opinions and subjective impressions! Never ever had I, nor will I ever claim somebodies impression wrong. If a certain ink is a runny, wet liquid for you and your fountain pen draws floodlines on paper, although it has high surface tension - if you are happy, I'm as well.

 

 

And once again: the AnInkGuy did an enormous job in measuring so many ink with his method. As I understand his method (he explains it in one of his videos) it measures a combination of surface tension and viscosity. He compares any one ink with the mathematical key numbers of mean value and distribution among all measured. Totally fine, nothing wrong, great job done! A perfect relative classification!

 

A short data update:

I'm in the finalisation of the manuscript after having measured some more inks for delivery/consumption adding to a total of 49. Now I ran out of the absorbent paper and used up all the reserve sheets. No more measurements and no more repetitions possible.

In the preliminary acknowledgement I listed all contributors to this thread, as of date December 31st 2021, with their forum identifier. Please let me know if you do not like to appear in the manuscript.

 

Have a good time, stay healthy!

 

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  On 1/18/2022 at 4:02 AM, LizEF said:

Not sure about the inks that skip on coated paper

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Just for clarity in terminology regarding paper.  

Coated paper is glossy; think magazines/brochures.

In writing paper, Clairefontain, for instance, has more internal sizing than copy paper, and/or may also be surface sized.  Sizing can reduce absorbency and increases smoothness depending upon amount included in the slurry.

Add lightness and simplicate.

 

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  On 1/18/2022 at 8:40 AM, Karmachanic said:

Just for clarity in terminology regarding paper.  

Coated paper is glossy; think magazines/brochures.

In writing paper, Clairefontain, for instance, has more internal sizing than copy paper, and/or may also be surface sized.  Sizing can reduce absorbency and increases smoothness depending upon amount included in the slurry.

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Thank you.  I always let the term "coated" go past, assuming people mean what I call "hard" papers like Clairefontaine, Rhodia, Maruman Mnemosyne, and Oxford Optik.  Some people describe these papers as having a waxy surface.  I don't find it so, but I understand the idea.  So I was assuming that's the kind of paper @RJS was referencing.  But I appreciate the clarification / explanation of the difference as once we start getting technical, it's important to know these details.

 

(Meanwhile, I have a bunch of inkjet brochure paper that's coated with a nice glossy finish and utterly useless to me - my husband bought a boat-load years ago - and I can't find anyone to take it off my hands! :( Perhaps a thrift store would take it...)

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  On 1/18/2022 at 6:36 AM, arcfide said:

Remember that the width of your pen can have a big difference here. In finer nibs, inks with a higher surface tension will be able to bead on the paper easily enough along the entire line that the line will appear glistening for longer. However, take that same ink (in fact a dry ink) and put it into a nib that spreads the ink out, such as a Music nib or a wide 1.5mm stub nib. Now, that same ink will actually be putting *more* ink down on the page, but will appear drier, will not glisten, and will feel as dry as the ratings suggest. As long as you keep your nibs small enough to not break the surface tension too much, then the inks will appear glistening on the page, but once you break that, you'll need less surface tension to get the same feeling of wetness. In the case of the stub, the pen has a larger bead of ink, but that bead of ink is stuck to the nib until the nib is lifted, and only what is left remains as the line for most of a stroke. 

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Thank you for this post!  It matches some thoughts that occasionally come to the forefront of my mind as I ponder my ink reviews and the differences in my experience with inks vs those of other reviewers.  I've had these same thoughts regarding flow - that the ink flows just fine (or even wet) in my pen, and dry as the desert in other pens because of how much ink we're trying to put down in the same length of stroke - the one stroke being super thin and the other fat(ter).

 

Those differences are one of the reasons I appreciate the more scientific approaches, like InesF's and An Ink Guy's.  The more I learn and experience, the more I think my review content is applicable only to other users of really fine nibs - which was my goal anyway - so it's all good.  I suppose two ways my reviews could be of use to users of broader nibs is that if I find an ink to be dry, everyone is going to find it to be dry; and if I find an ink to be well-lubricated, everyone is going to find it so (at least in theory).  But wet for me won't necessarily be wet for others, and poorly lubricated for me may be just fine for those with larger, smoother nibs.

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  On 1/18/2022 at 7:53 AM, InesF said:

A short data update:

I'm in the finalisation of the manuscript after having measured some more inks for delivery/consumption adding to a total of 49. Now I ran out of the absorbent paper and used up all the reserve sheets. No more measurements and no more repetitions possible.

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:) Thanks for the update. I'm looking forward to your paper, and hope it appears somewhere I'll be able to gain access (some professional publications tend to be hard for outsiders to get at).

 

  On 1/18/2022 at 7:53 AM, InesF said:

In the preliminary acknowledgement I listed all contributors to this thread, as of date December 31st 2021, with their forum identifier. Please let me know if you do not like to appear in the manuscript.

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This is very generous, InesF.  Pretty sure I've only contributed curiosity and encouragement.  Thank you again for all the careful work you put into this project!

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  On 1/18/2022 at 2:52 PM, LizEF said:

Thank you for this post!  It matches some thoughts that occasionally come to the forefront of my mind as I ponder my ink reviews and the differences in my experience with inks vs those of other reviewers.  I've had these same thoughts regarding flow - that the ink flows just fine (or even wet) in my pen, and dry as the desert in other pens because of how much ink we're trying to put down in the same length of stroke - the one stroke being super thin and the other fat(ter).

 

Those differences are one of the reasons I appreciate the more scientific approaches, like InesF's and An Ink Guy's.  The more I learn and experience, the more I think my review content is applicable only to other users of really fine nibs - which was my goal anyway - so it's all good.  I suppose two ways my reviews could be of use to users of broader nibs is that if I find an ink to be dry, everyone is going to find it to be dry; and if I find an ink to be well-lubricated, everyone is going to find it so (at least in theory).  But wet for me won't necessarily be wet for others, and poorly lubricated for me may be just fine for those with larger, smoother nibs.

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Crikey, am I misunderstanding or are we new equating wetness and lubrication? 😅 I thought when discussing inks, lubrication was used to denote the smooth gliding feeling that, uh, 'well lubricated' inks bring. E.g. Pilot Iroshizuku inks, as opened to the opposite of lubricated, aka chalky feeling inks, such as iron galls.

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  On 1/18/2022 at 6:36 AM, arcfide said:

 

Remember that the width of your pen can have a big difference here. In finer nibs, inks with a higher surface tension will be able to bead on the paper easily enough along the entire line that the line will appear glistening for longer. However, take that same ink (in fact a dry ink) and put it into a nib that spreads the ink out, such as a Music nib or a wide 1.5mm stub nib. Now, that same ink will actually be putting *more* ink down on the page, but will appear drier, will not glisten, and will feel as dry as the ratings suggest. As long as you keep your nibs small enough to not break the surface tension too much, then the inks will appear glistening on the page, but once you break that, you'll need less surface tension to get the same feeling of wetness. In the case of the stub, the pen has a larger bead of ink, but that bead of ink is stuck to the nib until the nib is lifted, and only what is left remains as the line for most of a stroke. 

 

Serenity Blue is considered a solid performing ink, but its use by some famous nibmeisters and the like is more about consistency and lack of crazy properties than being a wet ink. It's a standard, good ink that is very reliable and that's why it has a good reputation. It's reputation for wetness is actually middle of the road if you read up on what a lot of people think. 

 

However, you can readily see the difference in a wet ink vs a dry ink if you take something like a dry IG ink with a high surface tension and then introduce something like White Lightning, which contains surfactants that lower the surface tension. You won't notice as much difference in narrow nibs, because even when dry, you can still get that bead effect from the ink, but in a wide stub nib, the difference is massive. 

 

So, if you take a dry writing 1.5mm stub (or even larger) and compare the wet vs. dry inks, I think you'll notice the difference much more. Then you'll see how Serenity Blue or Parker Black can be thought of as more dry. 

 

The reason this might be confusing is that with narrower nibs, a dry ink may bead up on the paper more than a wet ink, even though less ink may actually be flowing out of the pen. This means that the dry ink will "glisten" a little bit more than some of the wetter inks on some paper and some nibs. Some ultra-wet inks are so wet that they instantly penetrate the paper and leave no glistening at all. Two great inks to see this difference would be Parker Quink Black and Sailor Black. Parker Quink is quite dry, but in narrow nibs it can bead up in wet pens. Whereas Sailor Black has a distinctly different surface tension, which might not bead as much on some papers, but if you widen out that nib, the Parker quickly reaches a point where it lays down a much less saturated line because the ink isn't sticking to that area of the page as much, while the Sailor Black can just flow and spread out evenly even with relatively large nibs. Jacques Herbin Noir Inspiration is an example of an ink that is almost too wet, because it begins penetrating the paper and feathering more easily. 

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Thanks for the interesting post. I don't currently own any broad nibbed pens, so I didn't consider that factor. High surface tension inks will always struggle with broad nibs do you suspect?

 

I'm not sure I've ever read a review of Serenity Blue, to be honest, as I know it well. I did a quick Google just now on reviews of the ink: it's described as "moderately wet", "wet", "fairly wet" and "neither wet nor dry". If anyone described it as dry, Google and I can't find it, yet by surface tension alone it should be considered about as dry as an ink could possibly be.

 

I'm sorry that link I posted bumped up against a pay wall- it doesn't for me.

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  On 1/18/2022 at 2:42 PM, LizEF said:

Thank you.  I always let the term "coated" go past, assuming people mean what I call "hard" papers like Clairefontaine, Rhodia, Maruman Mnemosyne, and Oxford Optik.  Some people describe these papers as having a waxy surface.  I don't find it so, but I understand the idea.  So I was assuming that's the kind of paper @RJS was referencing.  But I appreciate the clarification / explanation of the difference as once we start getting technical, it's important to know these details.

 

(Meanwhile, I have a bunch of inkjet brochure paper that's coated with a nice glossy finish and utterly useless to me - my husband bought a boat-load years ago - and I can't find anyone to take it off my hands! :( Perhaps a thrift store would take it...)

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You assumed correctly, that is the kind of paper I was talking about. I referred to the hard/smooth/not-very-absorbent paper as "coated", as that's how I've seen it categorised on here and on Amazon. I ever read an explanation that a coating/additive is used to prevent inks soaking in too fast and too deeply on some writing papers.

 

I'm happy to return to calling Clairefontiane-esque paper as "smooth" paper, which I called it before I saw the word 'coating' banded about. Haha. 😊

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To clarify, I'm not knocking the tremendous research that has been conducted, and I admire it. I'm just enjoying the conversation around the terminology/definitions and the subjective nature of our take on the descriptive words we use.

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  On 1/18/2022 at 6:48 PM, RJS said:

Crikey, am I misunderstanding or are we new equating wetness and lubrication? 😅

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If I said something that might lead you to believe I'm equating the two, it was unintentional.  I'm not (equating the two).  Yes, I commented on both and on how the EF nib might impact one's perception of them, but I didn't think I was equating them.

 

  On 1/18/2022 at 6:48 PM, RJS said:

I thought when discussing inks, lubrication was used to denote the smooth gliding feeling that, uh, 'well lubricated' inks bring. E.g. Pilot Iroshizuku inks, ...

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Yes, like your nib's been oiled, or protected, or cushioned from the texture of the paper.

 

  On 1/18/2022 at 6:48 PM, RJS said:

...as opened to the opposite of lubricated, aka chalky feeling inks, such as iron galls.

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I haven't found iron galls to necessarily be poorly lubricated.  And I wouldn't call it a chalky feeling, but simply scratchy - which is how a poorly lubricated Japanese EF feels - scratchy.  Maybe larger nibs feel gritty, not sure - don't have as much experience paying attention...

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  On 1/18/2022 at 6:56 PM, RJS said:

I'm not sure I've ever read a review of Serenity Blue, to be honest, as I know it well. I did a quick Google just now on reviews of the ink: it's described as "moderately wet", "wet", "fairly wet" and "neither wet nor dry". If anyone described it as dry, Google and I can't find it, yet by surface tension alone it should be considered about as dry as an ink could possibly be.

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Interesting.  I went back and looked at the numbers for Waterman inks, and you're right, the numbers say they should be dry, but they don't seem that way.  But Waterman were the first inks I reviewed (not Serenity Blue), so my perception was likely influenced by good (or at least good enough) lubrication.

 

I've only used Serenity Blue once (the cartridge that came with my Kultur) and it was pale and boring (nothing like what other people seem to get).  Perhaps because the nib was really dry and so was the ink.  I've since altered the nib to write wet, and I now have a short cartridge of this ink for review purposes.  It'll be interesting to see what I think of it whenever it gets voted to the top.

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      I just got the tracking information for my Starwalker💃🏻
    • T.D. Rabbit 3 Mar 12:46
      @lamarax I am horrified... And slightly intrigued. But mostly just scared.
    • lamarax 2 Mar 20:38
      Oh well. In case of failure you can always wring the paper to have a nice -albeit somewhat stale- cup of coffee back.
    • T.D. Rabbit 2 Mar 10:20
      @Astronymus I could use cornstarch... Or i could distill it and make it very concentrated.
    • T.D. Rabbit 2 Mar 10:20
      @lamarax That's what I used! (In reply to black coffee).. But the milk might not be good at all for paper.
    • Grayfeather 2 Mar 0:08
      Good day, all.
    • Gertrude F 20 Feb 17:58
      Sorry think I posted this in the wrong place. Used to be a user, just re-upped. Be kind. 😑
    • Gertrude F 20 Feb 17:56
      Looking to sell huge lot of pretty much every Man 200 made - FP, BP, MP, one or two RBs. Does anyone have a suggestion for a bulk purhase house? Thanks - and hope this doesn't violate any rules.
    • lamarax 17 Feb 18:05
      Cappuccino should work. Frothy milk also helps to lubricate the nib. But it has to be made by a barista.
    • Astronymus 17 Feb 16:19
      YOu might need to thicken the coffee with something. I admit I have no idea with what. But I'm pretty sure it would work.
    • asnailmailer 3 Feb 17:35
      it is incowrimo time and only very few people are tempting me
    • lamarax 31 Jan 21:34
      Try black coffee. No sugar.
    • T.D. Rabbit 31 Jan 8:11
      Coffee is too light to write with though I've tried.
    • Astronymus 29 Jan 21:46
      You can use coffee and all other kinds of fluid with a glas pen. 😉
    • Roger Zhao 29 Jan 14:37
      chocolate is yummy
    • Bucefalo 17 Jan 9:59
      anyone sells vacumatic push button shafts
    • stxrling 13 Jan 1:25
      Are there any threads or posts up yet about the California Pen Show in February, does anyone know?
    • lamarax 10 Jan 20:27
      Putting coffee in a fountain pen is far more dangerous
    • asnailmailer 9 Jan 0:09
      Don't drink the ink
    • zug zug 8 Jan 16:48
      Coffee inks or coffee, the drink? Both are yummy though.
    • LandyVlad 8 Jan 5:37
      I hear the price of coffee is going up. WHich is bad because I like coffee.
    • asnailmailer 6 Jan 14:43
      time for a nice cup of tea
    • Just J 25 Dec 1:57
      @liauyat re editing profile: At forum page top, find the Search panel. Just above that you should see your user name with a tiny down arrow [🔽] alongside. Click that & scroll down to CONTENT, & under that, Profile. Click that, & edit 'til thy heart's content!
    • liapuyat 12 Dec 12:20
      I can't seem to edit my profile, which is years out of date, because I've only returned to FPN again recently. How do you fix it?
    • mattaw 5 Dec 14:25
      @lantanagal did you do anything to fix that? I get that page every time I try to go to edit my profile...
    • Penguincollector 30 Nov 19:14
      Super excited to go check out the PDX Pen Bazaar today. I volunteered to help set up tables. It should be super fun, followed by Xmas tree shopping. 😁
    • niuben 30 Nov 10:41
      @Nurse Ratchet
    • Nurse Ratchet 30 Nov 2:49
      Newbie here!!! Helloall
    • Emes 25 Nov 23:31
      jew
    • Misfit 9 Nov 2:38
      lantanagal, I’ve only seen that happen when you put someone on the ignore list. I doubt a friend would do that.
    • lantanagal 7 Nov 19:01
      UPDATE - FIXED NOW Exact message is: Requested page not available! Dear Visitor of the Fountain Pen Nuthouse The page you are requesting to visit is not available to you. You are not authorised to access the requested page. Regards, The FPN Admin Team November 7, 2024
    • lantanagal 7 Nov 18:59
      UPDATE - FIXED NOW Trying to send a pen friend a reply to a message, keep getting an error message to say I don't have access. Anyone any ideas? (tried logging our and back in to no avail)
    • Dr.R 2 Nov 16:58
      Raina’s
    • fireant 2 Nov 1:36
      Fine-have you had a nibmeister look at it?
    • carlos.q 29 Oct 15:19
      @FineFinerFinest: have you seen this thread? https://www.fountainpennetwor...nging-pelikan-nibs/#comments
    • FineFinerFinest 24 Oct 8:52
      No replies required to my complaints about the Pelikan. A friend came to the rescue with some very magnification equipment - with the images thrown to a latge high res screen. Technology is a wonderful thing. Thanks to Mercian for the reply. I had been using the same paper & ink for sometime when the "singing" started. I have a theory but no proof that nibs get damaged when capping the pen. 👍
    • Mercian 22 Oct 22:28
      @FineFinerFinest: sometimes nib-'singing' can be lessened - or even cured - by changing the ink that one is putting through the pen, or the paper that one is using. N.b. *sometimes*. Good luck
    • Bluetaco 22 Oct 22:04
      howdy
    • FineFinerFinest 21 Oct 5:23
      I'm not expecting any replies to my question about the singing Pelikan nib. It seems, from reading the background, that I am not alone. It's a nice pen. It's such a pity Pelikan can't make decent nibs. I have occasionally met users who tell me how wonderful their Pelikan nib is. I've spent enough money to know that not everyone has this experience. I've worked on nibs occasionally over forty years with great success. This one has me beaten. I won't be buying any more Pelikan pens. 👎
    • FineFinerFinest 21 Oct 4:27
      I've had a Pelikan M805 for a couple of years now and cannot get the nib to write without singing. I've worked on dozens of nibs with great success. Ny suggestion about what's going wrong? 😑
    • Bhakt 12 Oct 5:45
      Any feedback in 100th anniversary Mont Blanc green pens?
    • Glens pens 8 Oct 15:08
      @jordierocks94 i happen to have platinum preppy that has wrote like (bleep) since i bought it my second pen....is that something you would wish to practice on?
    • jordierocks94 4 Oct 6:26
      Hello all - New here. My Art studies have spilled me into the ft pen world where I am happily submerged and floating! I'm looking to repair some cheap pens that are starving for ink yet filled, and eventually get new nibs; and development of repair skills (an even longer learning curve than my art studies - lol). Every hobby needs a hobby, eh ...
    • The_Beginner 18 Sept 23:35
      horse notebooks if you search the title should still appear though it wont show you in your proflie
    • Jayme Brener 16 Sept 22:21
      Hi, guys. I wonder if somebody knows who manufactured the Coro fountain pens.
    • TheHorseNotebooks 16 Sept 13:11
      Hello, it's been ages for me since I was here last time. I had a post (http://www.fountainpennetwork...-notebooks/?view=getnewpost) but I see that it is no longer accessible. Is there anyway to retrieve that one?
    • Refujio Rodriguez 16 Sept 5:39
      I have a match stick simplomatic with a weidlich nib. Does anyone know anything about this pen?
    • The_Beginner 15 Sept 16:11
      dusty yes, glen welcome
    • Glens pens 11 Sept 1:22
      Hello, Im new to FPN I'm so happy to find other foutain penattics. collecting almost one year ,thought I would say hello to everyone.
    • DustyBin 8 Sept 14:34
      I haven't been here for ages... do I take it that private sales are no longer allowed? Also used to be a great place to sell and buy some great pens
    • Sailor Kenshin 1 Sept 12:37
      Lol…
    • JungleJim 1 Sept 1:55
      Perhaps it's like saying Beetlejuice 3 times to get that person to appear, though with @Sailor Kenshin you only have to say it twice?
    • Sailor Kenshin 31 Aug 21:06
      ?
    • Duffy 29 Aug 19:31
      @Sailor Kenshin @Sailor Kenshin
    • Seney724 26 Aug 22:07
    • Diablo 26 Aug 22:05
      Thank you so much, Seney724. I really appreciate your help!
    • Seney724 26 Aug 21:43
      I have no ties or relationship. Just a very happy customer. He is a very experienced Montblanc expert.
    • Seney724 26 Aug 21:42
      I strongly recommend Kirk Speer at https://www.penrealm.com/
    • Diablo 26 Aug 21:35
      @Seney724. The pen was recently disassembled and cleaned, but the nib and feed were not properly inserted into the holder. I'm in Maryland.
    • Diablo 26 Aug 21:32
      @Seney724. The nib section needs to be adjusted properly.
    • Seney724 26 Aug 18:16
      @Diablo. Where are you? What does it need?
    • Diablo 26 Aug 16:58
      Seeking EXPERIENCED, REPUTABLE service/repair for my 149. PLEASE help!!!
    • Penguincollector 19 Aug 19:42
      @Marta Val, reach out to @terim, who runs Peyton Street Pens and is very knowledgeable about Sheaffer pens
    • Marta Val 19 Aug 14:35
      Hello, could someone recommend a reliable venue: on line or brick and mortar in Fairfax, VA or Long Island, NY to purchase the soft parts and a converter to restore my dad's Sheaffer Legacy? please. Thanks a mill.
    • The_Beginner 18 Aug 2:49
      is there a guy who we can message to find a part for us with a given timelimit if so please let me know his name!
    • virtuoso 16 Aug 15:15
      what happene to the new Shaeffer inks?
    • Scribs 14 Aug 17:09
      fatehbajwa, in Writing Instruments, "Fountain Pens + Dip Pens First Stop" ?
    • fatehbajwa 14 Aug 12:17
      Back to FPN after 14 years. First thing I noticed is that I could not see a FS forum. What has changed? 🤔
    • Kika 5 Aug 10:22
      Are there any fountain pen collectors in Qatar?
    • T.D. Rabbit 31 July 18:58
      Ahh okay, thanks!
    • Scribs 29 July 18:51
      @ TDRabbit, even better would be in Creative Expressions area, subform The Write Stuff
    • T.D. Rabbit 29 July 11:40
      Okay, thanks!
    • JungleJim 29 July 0:46
      @T.D. Rabbit Try posting it in the "Chatter Forum". You have to be logged in to see it.
    • T.D. Rabbit 28 July 17:54
      Hello! Is there a thread anywhere 'round here where one can post self-composed poetry? If not, would it be alright if I made one? I searched on google, but to no avail...
    • OldFatDog 26 July 19:41
      I have several Parker Roller Ball & Fiber Tip refills in the original packaging. Where and how do I sell them? The couple that I've opened the ink still flowed when put to paper. Also if a pen would take the foller ball refill then it should take the fiber tip as well? Anyway it's been awhile and I'm want to take my message collection beyond the few pieces that I have... Meaning I don't have a Parker these refills will fit in 🙄
    • RegDiggins 23 July 12:40
      Recently was lucky enough to buy a pristine example of the CF crocodile ball with the gold plating. Then of course I faced the same problem we all have over the years ,of trying to find e refill. Fortunately I discovered one here in the U.K. I wonder if there are other sources which exist in other countries, by the way they were not cheap pen
    • The_Beginner 20 July 20:35
      Hows it going guys i have a code from pen chalet that i wont use for 10% off and it ends aug 31st RC10AUG its 10% off have at it fellas
    • T.D. Rabbit 19 July 9:33
      Somewhat confusing and off-putting ones, as said to me by my very honest friends. I don't have an X account though :<
    • piano 19 July 8:41
      @The Devil Rabbit what kind of? Let’s go to X (twitter) with #inkdoodle #inkdoodleFP
    • Mort639 17 July 1:03
      I have a Conway Stewart Trafalgar set. It was previously owned by actor Russell Crowe and includes a letter from him. Can anyone help me with assessing its value?
    • Sailor Kenshin 15 July 17:41
      There must be a couple of places here to share artworks.
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