Lamy 2000 2021 edition?

[ljz]

2 hours ago, nanders9 said:

I posted this on r/fountainpens over on Reddit, but I thought the people in this thread may appreciate seeing the brown version outside of marketing pictures and in comparison to the standard black version. I don't own the brown Al-Star LX, but from photos, the color looks similar.

 

http://imgur.com/a/5PW45ZE

What can I say? Happy graduation!🙂

[langere]

Thanks, these photos are so useful. It has solidified my opinion stated above.

 

Erick 

[Fawate]

Thank you for the pictures. It is really nice that someone already have images of a real pen. 

[linkoiram]

On 6/10/2021 at 12:32 PM, Calabria said:

Smug Dill is our resident advocatus diaboli. 
 

I do sense the outrage on this thread which reminds me of the outrage over the Black Amber which was a flop (no fault of the pen.)

 

Basically, Dill is arguing for pyramid schemes such as Bitcoin. They work until they don’t. We’ll see if this one works.

 

Btw, comparisons with MB aren’t convincing - MB creates original designs for their special editions and markets them with dedicated stories. This brown Lamy is simply brown and the story is, we designed a good pen 55 years ago. 🙄 

Calling Bitcoin a pyramid scheme... The same could be said of many investments.

[Calabria]

10 hours ago, linkoiram said:

Calling Bitcoin a pyramid scheme... The same could be said of many investments.

To be sure!

[marlinspike]

On 6/10/2021 at 8:22 AM, Uncial said:

I think this is the aspect I find hard to get my head around. Maybe I'm just too old for FOMO and such, but I keep coming back to the economics of it. I doubt Lamy care a jot about 'fans' notions of prestige at owning a limited edition that costs four times as much due to a different colour. Somewhere, somehow, it makes more economic sense for them to do it this way, but I struggle to see how it works. 

I once saw an interview with Dante del Vecchio where he said if you call a pen limited edition you will guarantee you sell every one you make. I don't think we appreciate just how few normally sell. I know the 2000 is a lot more volume, but consider Aurora has limited editions of 7500 units that came out almost 20 years ago and they still have stock to sell.

That said, from the customer stand point this one doesn't make sense to me. Far fewer Snakewood Graf von Faber Castels were made than there will be brown Lamy 2000s. 3300 units and changing the color and including a notebook should be worth 1.5x-2x the standard price, not 4-5x.

[a m a r g o]

The price and brown clip just ruins the entire experience for me...

 

I don't understand who takes these kind of decisions or propose them: "For this special edition we need to add something else besides the makrolon color"; "We need to offer more to justify an absurd price increase"; "We need to add notebooks, fancy boxes and books about the designer"; "Adding the brown clip would be awesome".

 

😢

[bayindirh]

On 7/4/2021 at 5:06 PM, nanders9 said:

I posted this on r/fountainpens over on Reddit, but I thought the people in this thread may appreciate seeing the brown version outside of marketing pictures and in comparison to the standard black version. I don't own the brown Al-Star LX, but from photos, the color looks similar.

 

http://imgur.com/a/5PW45ZE

 

That's a very beautiful pen, and the color gives me a very retro vibe, including the clip.

 

Getting a Ph.D. is more than enough justification for this. Enjoy both without hesitation.

[A Smug Dill]

2 hours ago, a m a r g o said:

The price and brown clip just ruins the entire experience for me...

 

Which experience(s) specifically? The user experience, the buying experience, or the experience of simply reading a review of the pen by someone who has actually bought and/or used one?

[sirgilbert357]

14 hours ago, marlinspike said:

I once saw an interview with Dante del Vecchio where he said if you call a pen limited edition you will guarantee you sell every one you make. I don't think we appreciate just how few normally sell. I know the 2000 is a lot more volume, but consider Aurora has limited editions of 7500 units that came out almost 20 years ago and they still have stock to sell.

That said, from the customer stand point this one doesn't make sense to me. Far fewer Snakewood Graf von Faber Castels were made than there will be brown Lamy 2000s. 3300 units and changing the color and including a notebook should be worth 1.5x-2x the standard price, not 4-5x.

 

I'm trying to reconcile these two points.

 

Say I'm a business and I know that if I call a pen a L.E. I will be practically guaranteed to sell every one I make (I'm not saying I agree that this is fully true, however, there is likely a lot of truth to it).

So if all that is true, why wouldn't I sell a L.E. pen for 4-5x the price??

 

And do you mean "should" as in "this is MY opinion", or are you objecting on some moral grounds...like "it's immoral that they are asking so much for that"??

 

Profit is literally the motivation, after all...

[sirgilbert357]

2 hours ago, a m a r g o said:

The price and brown clip just ruins the entire experience for me...

 

I don't understand who takes these kind of decisions or propose them: "For this special edition we need to add something else besides the makrolon color"; "We need to offer more to justify an absurd price increase"; "We need to add notebooks, fancy boxes and books about the designer"; "Adding the brown clip would be awesome".

 

😢

 

I don't like the brown clip either. I would have preferred the standard L2K clip seen on the normal Makrolon version. I guess a different texture on the clip might be OK -- maybe bead blast the whole thing instead of brushed texture? I don't know. The brown will just wear off over time if the pen is used enough, and I personally would use it quite a bit.

[maclink]

On 7/4/2021 at 3:06 PM, nanders9 said:

I posted this on r/fountainpens over on Reddit, but I thought the people in this thread may appreciate seeing the brown version outside of marketing pictures and in comparison to the standard black version. I don't own the brown Al-Star LX, but from photos, the color looks similar.

 

http://imgur.com/a/5PW45ZE

 

Congratulations on your new pen as well your recent success. 

 

What nib size did your pen come with.  Are these pens sold with a single nib width?  Apparently the Blue Bauhaus was sold only with EF nibs?

[A Smug Dill]

5 hours ago, maclink said:

Are these pens sold with a single nib width?

 

I'm pretty sure the 2021 LE only comes fitted with F nibs from the factory.

 

Edit:

Interestingly though, the page at https://www.lamyshop.in/in_en/lamy-2000-brown-limited-edition-2021.html?sel=1544 states,

 

 

and I have no idea which nib width and/or type is designated by ‘S’.

 

Edited July 8, 2021 by A Smug Dill

[a m a r g o]

18 hours ago, A Smug Dill said:

 

Which experience(s) specifically? The user experience, the buying experience, or the experience of simply reading a review of the pen by someone who has actually bought and/or used one?

 

The entire experience with the pen itself, based on my knowledge with the Lamy 2000 and the graphic information available.

 

Do you live your life throughout the eyes of others? That's ok, the world is a large place, I do not...

[a m a r g o]

20 hours ago, sirgilbert357 said:

 

I don't like the brown clip either. I would have preferred the standard L2K clip seen on the normal Makrolon version. I guess a different texture on the clip might be OK -- maybe bead blast the whole thing instead of brushed texture? I don't know. The brown will just wear off over time if the pen is used enough, and I personally would use it quite a bit.

 

That's the term this and other anniversary editions, such as the metal ones, are trying to overcome. The Lamy 2000 has been such a success precisely because the standard itself hasn't changed in 65 years, we look up to it.

 

 

[A Smug Dill]

12 minutes ago, a m a r g o said:

Do you live your life throughout the eyes of others?

 

No, but since I chose not to buy a 2021 limited edition brown Lamy 2000, I will have neither a user experience nor a buying experience that can be ruined. It sounded to me like you're put off by the price and the brown clip, and will therefore refrain from buying one as well of you own volition, and therefore you also won't have ‘the experience’ of being either a pen user or buyer to be ruined. What's left? Reading someone else's review, which in all likelihood arises from their making a difference choice, and electing to buy and use one of those pens.

 

12 minutes ago, a m a r g o said:

The entire experience with the pen itself,

 

Again, I ask: which experience(s) specifically, then? You don't lust after it on account of the brown clip, and you don't have a fear-of-missing-out since you're choosing not to buy one of the 3,300 units at the asking price. Imagining that/how it could be different if you called the shots on the design of the limited edition pen and set its price, so that you would then own and enjoy one in that alternate reality, does not constitute an ‘experience’.

[Uncial]

Lately, a rising number of threads seem to veer into a twilight zone of the increasingly surreal.

[a m a r g o]

1 hour ago, A Smug Dill said:

 

No, but since I chose not to buy a 2021 limited edition brown Lamy 2000, I will have neither a user experience nor a buying experience that can be ruined. It sounded to me like you're put off by the price and the brown clip, and will therefore refrain from buying one as well of you own volition, and therefore you also won't have ‘the experience’ of being either a pen user or buyer to be ruined. What's left? Reading someone else's review, which in all likelihood arises from their making a difference choice, and electing to buy and use one of those pens.

 

 

Again, I ask: which experience(s) specifically, then? You don't lust after it on account of the brown clip, and you don't have a fear-of-missing-out since you're choosing not to buy one of the 3,300 units at the asking price. Imagining that/how it could be different if you called the shots on the design of the limited edition pen and set its price, so that you would then own and enjoy one in that alternate reality, does not constitute an ‘experience’.

 

It's ok, relax, you can have your own definition of what the term 'experience' means if you want to...

 

Nonetheless I would like to thank you very much for clarifying what I should have thought and felt about the Lamy 2000 55th anniversary edition.

 

I stand corrected!

 

 

 

[A Smug Dill]

1 hour ago, a m a r g o said:

Nonetheless I would like to thank you very much for clarifying what I should have thought and felt about the Lamy 2000 55th anniversary edition.

 

I'm trying to understand how you feel, perhaps relate to your sense of powerlessness and position of irrelevance in the design and pricing of a Lamy product; most, if not all, of us are in the same position. Precisely why I was (and still am) asking for clarification, because what you said didn't make sense to me. You feel how you feel, and neither know nor presume to tell you how you should feel; I'm simply trying to calibrate and cut through the superficial descriptions because they seem to only obscure the true feelings.

 

It takes engagement and participation to have an ‘experience’, but if Lamy has failed to engage our desire to buy the product offering, then there is no involvement. As Lamy put it (here and here), “the fountain pen is presented as part of an exclusive collector's set” and, ”This exclusive set for connoisseurs…” so either we are not the target audience, or we have chosen to exclude ourselves from it; hence nothing is ruined, except perhaps for Lamy's opportunity to get money off us.

[a m a r g o]

1 hour ago, A Smug Dill said:

 

I'm trying to understand how you feel, perhaps relate to your sense of powerlessness and position of irrelevance in the design and pricing of a Lamy product; most, if not all, of us are in the same position. Precisely why I was (and still am) asking for clarification, because what you said didn't make sense to me. You feel how you feel, and neither know nor presume to tell you how you should feel; I'm simply trying to calibrate and cut through the superficial descriptions because they seem to only obscure the true feelings.

 

It takes engagement and participation to have an ‘experience’, but if Lamy has failed to engage our desire to buy the product offering, then there is no involvement. As Lamy put it (here and here), “the fountain pen is presented as part of an exclusive collector's set” and, ”This exclusive set for connoisseurs…” so either we are not the target audience, or we have chosen to exclude ourselves from it; hence nothing is ruined, except perhaps for Lamy's opportunity to get money off us.

 

It would be extremely interesting to attest how do you navigate through life!

 

Could you describe to us how did you engaged and participated in the last sunset you experienced? It wasn't enough just to pay attention and live through the event? You would need to have a tiny responsibility in the Earth's rotation to 'properly' experience the event?

 

I'm sorry, I was extremely optimistic early on, I'll correct myself here: It really wouldn't be interesting to attest how do you navigate through life.

 

Au revoir!