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[carola]

Apart from the grey 100N with the beautiful brass clip:

There ist the black-striped 400 from the 1950s with the very modern nib. The same pen seems to have a 400NN clip.

And the black 140 seems to sport a 100 or 100N clip.

 

Nice collection!

 

[tacitus]

6 hours ago, stoen said:

This is true for cellulose acetate (late thirties barrels). For celluloid barrels (most of the thirties period) things stand a bit differently:

• not inked celluloid barrel is honey yellow AFAIK - I’ve come across few NOS 100s of early 30s.
• they’re prone to ink staining in the following pattern: black and old iron gall inks stain it to brown, blue/violet/cyan inks to shades of green
• no matter, inked or not, celluloid releases camphor (its essential compound), shrinking up to 1-2% over a period of 70+ years, making it more brittle than devised
• experience of some of the NOS owners shows that such pens shelved for 80+ years show more celluloid crazing signs (around the piston threading) than those lightly used and treated with care.

As for those two 900+$ eBay #100 pens (both of which have been bought by the same bidder, NB! - let’s take a closer look at the bidding history 🙂), there’s one thing looking suspect about them:

- mint condition of their barrels at the piston threading and lack of brass reinforcement rings isn’t likely. There used to be a 1930/32 series of ringless celluloid-barreled 100s, but I’ve seen none of them having survived. It is not unlikely that barrels on these pens might have been replaced later, during a major servicing or restoration procedure.

 

Anyway, the price does reflect what someone is willing to spend, rather than an item’s fair value.

🙂

 

 

 

 

Hello stoen, 

The reason for green ink window is my NOS (maybe😏) 100 cutaway model (ca.1933)(upper) (Fig.1). The lower one is Rappen (1932). It has been never inked, serviced (as you can easily imagine). Without any hint of crazing or fading (ink window has the same color as that under the sleeve)(Fig.2), it should be never displayed.  As seen in this and this, I think green is possible.

Even so, many other pens are yellowish, as you pointed out.

The third one is IBIS (1936)(Fig.3)(it is olive green?). This may be the rare case that ringless celluloid barrel has been kept intact over age. I experienced a few 100s without ring survived. Ink leakage to piston threading or inferior grease may also deteriorate celluloid durability.

 

Discussion on the constructional and material of 100s are very interesting for me. Thank you for precious information😘.

 

 

[Bikerchick]

5 hours ago, stoen said:

This is true for cellulose acetate (late thirties barrels). For celluloid barrels (most of the thirties period) things stand a bit differently:

• not inked celluloid barrel is honey yellow AFAIK - I’ve come across few NOS 100s of early 30s.
• they’re prone to ink staining in the following pattern: black and old iron gall inks stain it to brown, blue/violet/cyan inks to shades of green
• no matter, inked or not, celluloid releases camphor (its essential compound), shrinking up to 1-2% over a period of 70+ years, making it more brittle than devised
• experience of some of the NOS owners shows that such pens shelved for 80+ years show more celluloid crazing signs (around the piston threading) than those lightly used and treated with care.

As for those two 900+$ eBay #100 pens (both of which have been bought by the same bidder, NB! - let’s take a closer look at the bidding history 🙂), there’s one thing looking suspect about them:

- mint condition of their barrels at the piston threading and lack of brass reinforcement rings isn’t likely. There used to be a 1930/32 series of ringless celluloid-barreled 100s, but I’ve seen none of them having survived. It is not unlikely that barrels on these pens might have been replaced later, during a major servicing or restoration procedure.

 

Anyway, the price does reflect what someone is willing to spend, rather than an item’s fair value.

🙂

 

So in your opinion, 900+$ was too much for these pens?

(Your knowledge on the 100s is impressive, Stoen. )

[stoen]

9 minutes ago, Bikerchick said:

So in your opinion, 900+$ was too much for these pens?

Thanks for asking. I can speak only for myself.

IMHO, 900+$ was by wide margin in excess of what I’d have been prepared to pay for any Pelikan 100, but I’m afraid this is not the point. The point is if it was not too much for the same “somebody” who placed winning bids  on both of those pens.

🙂

We are living in the age of free market, and it is up to each one of us to study prices and condition of sold items for a while and make our own conclusions and opinions.

 

Hope my answer can satisfy.

🙂

[Bikerchick]

32 minutes ago, stoen said:

Hope my answer can satisfy.

It can indeed, thank you, Stoen.

[stoen]

8 hours ago, tacitus said:

The reason for green ink window is my NOS (maybe😏) 100 cutaway model (ca.1933)(upper) (Fig.1).

Thanks for your contribution.

 

Even if the age of the #100 is correctly attributed, I don’t know enough of the “cutaway” demos to make sure if the materials for the cutaway and “production” items were consistently the same.

I’ve also seen an early cutaway with yellow ink window.

 

As for the Rappen, I’m not familiar with the model, so I cannot comment with certainty on your year of manufacture estimation.

 

As for the Ibis, it hasn’t been manufactured before 1936/37, the barrel material may already have been the green cellulose acetate, so its having survived without the protective brass ring is not that unlikely at all.

 

Most of the things I know are publicly available. Good about this forum is that we can share it in one place.

🙂

[Runnin_Ute]

With the latest additions to the flock- a black M100 with an M nib and the transparent green M205 DUO with BB.

[tacitus]

Gorgeous flock in brochures

 

 

According to them and Pelikan official site, ink window seemed green to olive.

[tacitus]

49 minutes ago, Runnin_Ute said:

With the latest additions to the flock- a black M100 with an M nib and the transparent green M205 DUO with BB.

 

Transparent pens are great. Are you planning to use M205 DUO as highlighter?😄

[stoen]

9 hours ago, tacitus said:

According to them and Pelikan official site, ink window seemed green to olive.

Please, take a closer look:

only T111 and the Deskpen ink windows in this official site link are photographed. Everything else is artistic rendition. Your posters are painted ad prints, not true-color photos. There was no mass-produced reliable and calibrated color processing back then. Kodakchrome was first marketed in 1935.

 

In order to find out more about the barrel original colors, one can always take a piece of barrel broken beyond repair and rub the inner ink-stained layer out, using a cotton swab dipped in MEK.

 

BTW, why don’t you start a thread?

🙂

[tacitus]

2 hours ago, stoen said:

Please, take a closer look:

only T111 and the Deskpen ink windows are photographed. Everything else is artistic rendition. Your posters are painted ad prints, not true-color photos. There was no reliable color processing back then. Kodakchrome was first marketed in 1935.

 

In order to find out more about the barrel original colors, you can always take a piece of barrel broken beyond repair and rub the inner stained layer out, with cotton swab dipped in MEK.

 

BTW, why don’t you start a thread?

🙂

 

Thank you for kind advice.

It is fun to deliberate on constructional and material matter in vintage pens like 100😄.

I prefer reusing the existing thread rather than wasting a new thread.

I hope this thread to be pinned.

 

 

[stoen]

Here’s my #100-flock, nib point of view:

[DerMarsianer]

Here is a little family with four blacks:

 

Thorsten

[Barutti]

Nice shot and lovely photo. "Man in black"🤨

[Christopher Godfrey]

OMG!  Some amazing collections here that you have all been generous enough to share...

 

Here is my little gathering; but in their protective case, so I am perhaps not as generous as some of you!  Explanation probably unnecessary, too...nothing too rare:

[N1003U]

I keep coming back to this thread from time to time, just to admire all of the lovely pens. Thanks to everyone for sharing. It is easy to see how the Pelikan brand has become so popular amongst pen-lovers.

 

While my flock is almost exclusively modern (modern defined by me as post-1970 or so, and I have a couple of models out of the 1950s and 1960s), these pages have ignited in me an interest in the pre-war 100s.

I recently picked up a modern M101N at a good price, and I have come to appreciate the size, weight, and balance of the pen. It is a joy to write with during long sessions. I understand completely how the original Model 100 may have become so popular.

Now I am feeling the pull from the beauty of the old model 100s, and I want to experience one for myself. I suspect when the right 100 out of the 1930s comes along, it will be joining my flock.

 

 

[Barutti]

36 minutes ago, N1003U said:

I keep coming back to this thread from time to time, just to admire all of the lovely pens. Thanks to everyone for sharing. It is easy to see how the Pelikan brand has become so popular amongst pen-lovers.

 

+1. Indeed its dangerous thread:) I like to come back too and has the same feeling as to visit painting museum or art gallery repeatedly. The same picture or piece of art, but different insights and feeling.  

[Christopher Godfrey]

When I posted this <Explanation probably unnecessary, too...nothing too rare...> I didn't mean to sound terse and perhaps some small notes are relevant:

 

The Ibis is an early one, from 1937, I seem to remember (it came from Gary Lehrer, many years ago), and it has its original Ibis nib -- <very> flexible!

 

Of the two 100s: one has a gold nib; one has a CN, both flexible.  The jade 100 (101?) came from Rick Propas, also years ago, and has mostly vintage parts, but the cap is a modern one (not clip, obviously).  The lapis one, though, is a modern reiteration that sat in a Moscow shop window for seemingly a long time, for the hard rubber section is faded on one side!  (Vintage nib now fitted -- of course!)

 

The 100N tortoise with black blind cap came from Tom Westerich and has a <marvellous>, soft and very flexible nib.  Next to it are three modern iterations, all nibs replaced with vintage, flexible ones.

 

Of the 400s, you see one each of green-striped, tortoise and black-striped in 400 and 400NN.  The two 205 highlighters are great, useful pens for underlining in (paperback only) books!  And then comes my only serious modern: the M1000 with EF nib.

[stoen]

Hello,

here’s a family photo of my tiny flock of vintage 4**s. It has only four members, but each if them is a very distinguished writer. Visually, they may appear rather common, but I like them for writing performance feel and versatility. From the top:

 

400  (1951),  w. a super-flex M nib

400N (1956) w. a springy OF nib

400NN(1959)w. a lightest touch EF nib

400NNM&K (1973) w. a smooth, moderatly flex F nib.

 

Here they are:

It took some time to gather such a distinguished little flock.

Hope you’ll like them.

🙂

[Frank C]

On 5/10/2021 at 1:50 AM, Barutti said:

+1. Indeed its dangerous thread:) I like to come back too and has the same feeling as to visit painting museum or art gallery repeatedly. The same picture or piece of art, but different insights and feeling.  

I also like to see all these Pelikans. Someday, I need to round up my Pelikans to post a pod photo.