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I just bought a Sheaffer Snorkel. When I was a kid (long long ago) my mom had a burgundy Snorkel. I found one just like the one she had and bought it. Long story for later.

Anyway, Above the engraving "W. A. Sheaffer Pen Co." is a four digit number "1127." I'm thinking it's a model code or something. Can anyone point me to a decoding source?

 

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There is no known information as to what these numbers are.

 

Roger W.

Wow. I notice photos of Snorkels usually don't have any numbers. Mysterious.

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There is a previous thread about serial numbers on Snorkels at: https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/335289-snorkel-admiral-1960/

 

I have been keeping an eye out for these pens and so far have seen references the following:

 

0167 Snorkel Saratoga (colour not stated)

0404 Black Snorkel Valiant

0424 Black Snorkel Sentinel

0453 Pastel Blue Snorkel (model not stated)

0517 Black Snorkel Autograph

0534 Black Snorkel Statesman

0612 Black Snorkel Valiant

0731 Grey Snorkel Admiral

0960 Black Snorkel Admiral

1153 'Cherry' Snorkel Admiral

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There is a previous thread about serial numbers on Snorkels at: https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/335289-snorkel-admiral-1960/

 

I have been keeping an eye out for these pens and so far have seen references the following:

 

0167 Snorkel Saratoga (colour not stated)

0404 Black Snorkel Valiant

0424 Black Snorkel Sentinel

0453 Pastel Blue Snorkel (model not stated)

0517 Black Snorkel Autograph

0534 Black Snorkel Statesman

0612 Black Snorkel Valiant

0731 Grey Snorkel Admiral

0960 Black Snorkel Admiral

1153 'Cherry' Snorkel Admiral

There is nothing wrong with tracking these as they come up and, may provide an answer. I don't think the number has anything to do with the model. I would theorize that these numbers were etched on pens that were sent out with employees to track real world use of the pen that could be periodically reported on. As we go through the archives we'll keep an eye out for ledgers that may have such tracking. This isn't remotely the same as the price codes that were found on some pens in the '30's. I'll look and see if I have some marked snorkels.

 

Roger W.

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Here's a few to add.

Red admiral, X2 nib, 0597
Grey admiral, name engraved, M2 nib, 0494
Blue admiral, A2 nib, 1137

Grey clipper, 1674

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[edited to add grey clipper 1674]

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Here's a few to add.

 

Red admiral, X2 nib, 0597

Grey admiral, name engraved, M2 nib, 0494

Blue admiral, A2 nib, 1137

Grey clipper, 1674

 

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[edited to add grey clipper 1674]

What name is engraved?

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What name is engraved?

Marvin L Carlson

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Congratulations on scoring an exquisite and unique instrument. I'm looking forward to checking it out at the Honolulu Pen Club some day. I have a couple and I'll look for a nib number. But, they are somewhere in the Magic Pen Storage Stuff area and I have not seen the Shaffer pouch in a while. Aloha - Buzzie

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Marvin L Carlson

Well that blows that theory.

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Well that blows that theory.

Employee numbers?

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Updated list.
0167 Snorkel Saratoga (colour not stated)
0404 Black Snorkel Valiant
0424 Black Snorkel Sentinel
0453 Pastel Blue Snorkel (model not stated)
0494 Grey Snorkel Admiral M2 nib, engraved Marvin L. Carlson
0517 Black Snorkel Autograph
0534 Black Snorkel Statesman
0597 Burgundy Snorkel Admiral X2 nib
0612 Black Snorkel Valiant
0664 Burgundy Snorkel Sovereign
0731 Grey Snorkel Admiral
0960 Black Snorkel Admiral
1127 Burgundy Snorkel Valiant
1137 Pastel Blue Snorkel Admiral A2 nib
1153 'Cherry' Snorkel Admiral
1674 Grey Snorkel Clipper

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By the way, my 1127 is a Valiant. Why would some Burgundy Valiants have a number and some not? What is the meaning of life and why is the sky blue?

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By the way, my 1127 is a Valiant. Why would some Burgundy Valiants have a number and some not? What is the meaning of life and why is the sky blue?

 

Thanks for the update on 1127 ... as we continue to search for the true meaning of life, the universe, and numbers on Sheaffer Snorkels.

 

PS. list updated.

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Interesting thread. Not sure how I missed it before now.

Of course, I'm now going to be looking at all of my Snorkels to see if there are any numbers on the barrels....

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Updated list.

0167 Snorkel Saratoga (colour not stated)

0404 Black Snorkel Valiant

0424 Black Snorkel Sentinel

0453 Pastel Blue Snorkel (model not stated)

0494 Grey Snorkel Admiral M2 nib, engraved Marvin L. Carlson

0517 Black Snorkel Autograph

0534 Black Snorkel Statesman

0597 Burgundy Snorkel Admiral X2 nib

0612 Black Snorkel Valiant

0664 Burgundy Snorkel Sovereign

0731 Grey Snorkel Admiral

0960 Black Snorkel Admiral

1127 Burgundy Snorkel Valiant

1137 Pastel Blue Snorkel Admiral A2 nib

1153 'Cherry' Snorkel Admiral

1674 Grey Snorkel Clipper

 

One more for the record:

 

0251 Black Crest

 

I noticed there are no new colors and no pastel greens listed above.

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Updated list as at 01 October 2020

 

0167 Snorkel Saratoga (colour not stated)

0251 Black Snorkel Crest

0404 Black Snorkel Valiant

0424 Black Snorkel Sentinel

0453 Pastel Blue Snorkel (model not stated)

0494 Grey Snorkel Admiral M2 nib, engraved Marvin L. Carlson

0517 Black Snorkel Autograph

0534 Black Snorkel Statesman

0597 Burgundy Snorkel Admiral X2 nib

0612 Black Snorkel Valiant

0664 Burgundy Snorkel Sovereign

0731 Grey Snorkel Admiral

0960 Black Snorkel Admiral

1127 Burgundy Snorkel (model not stated)

1137 Pastel Blue Snorkel Admiral A2 nib

1153 'Cherry' Snorkel Admiral

1674 Grey Snorkel Clipper

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This is a black Sentinel pen --0988--I bought in mint condition. The sac protector has 4 small lugs (no large lug), so it is not an early model. It does not have a ® mark on the nib, which means it's not a very late production pen. 

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Thanks for adding another number. Here is the updated list (as at 22 December 2020):

 

0167 Snorkel Saratoga (colour not stated)

0251 Black Snorkel Crest 

0356 Pastel Green Snorkel Admiral

0404 Black Snorkel Valiant

0424 Black Snorkel Sentinel

0453 Pastel Blue Snorkel (model not stated)

0494 Grey Snorkel Admiral M2 nib, engraved Marvin L. Carlson

0517 Black Snorkel Autograph

0534 Black Snorkel Valiant

0597 Burgundy Snorkel Admiral X2 nib

0612 Black Snorkel Valiant

0664 Burgundy Snorkel Sovereign 

0731 Grey Snorkel Admiral

0810 Black Snorkel Valiant

0960 Black Snorkel Admiral

0988 Black Snorkel Sentinel

1127 Burgundy Snorkel (model not stated) 

1137 Pastel Blue Snorkel Admiral A2 nib

1153 'Cherry' Snorkel Admiral

1674 Grey Snorkel Clipper

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