Montblanc 146 Legrand

[como]

 

You will be whipped with old Montblanc leather cases and, err, bathed in their new yellow Mickey Mouse ink. Still dare ... ?

[Doc991]

Please note that early 70s 146 pens were 1 piece barrels as well:

 

https://flic.kr/p/T9Fiib

 

Later models with grey ink window had 2 piece barrels (at least two different versions).

 

Cheers

 

Michael

 

Hi Michael !

 

thats very interesting !

 

i only have 2 piece barrel with blue/grey ink window and 1 piece barrel with striped ink window.

 

i did not know, that MB before made 1 piece barrel !

 

cheers

Mike

 

[jchch1950]

Mike Thanks for the information.

[Michael R.]

Plus there are at least two different versions of 2 piece barrels with grey ink windows.

 

The way the section is attached was changed during the production run.

 

The single piece construction I‘ve only seen on very early versions. Mostly on the ones with 14C/18C (not 14K/18K) nibs and straight section ring (not flared).

 

Cheers

 

Michael

[Boris-Ludwig]

On 2/15/2020 at 12:54 AM, Michael R. said:

Plus there are at least two different versions of 2 piece barrels with grey ink windows.

 

The way the section is attached was changed during the production run.

Michael

 

Hi Michael,

 

I'm trying to understand how these 2 piece barrel 146's are configured.

 

From your picture it seems the smaller diameter section on the threaded part of the ink window has the thread inside the grey/blue part rather than on the outside. Is that the case?

 

Does that mean the grip section has an external thread inside, with a smooth part that comes over the threaded ink window section?

 

Alternatively, does the threaded part of the ink window allow the nib 'housing' to screw into it, mating both the external thread on the nib housing to the internal thread of the ink window? Which may mean the grip section slides onto the ink window captured by the nib housing?

 

Which do I have correct?

 

 

BTW I love your photos of the 146's you own. Truly beautiful to appreciate the differences in appearance.

 

 

[CS388]

As far as I remember, from working on my older 146: the section on the two-piece has no internal threads at all. It slips over the smaller diameter section at the base of the ink window and is held in place by the collar of the feed case (which screws into the internal threads, in the bottom of the window)

 

When the collar breaks, on this model (and it often does) the whole section cover will slide off.

 

Happy to be corrected, as I'm going from memory, here.

Seasons greetings to all.

[Boris-Ludwig]

Thank you, CS388. 

 

I can understand that it may crack off with a bit too much tension as it's screwed on. I've seen some of the photos  on other threads here.

 

It appears the seal is really produced by well sealed threading of the nib housing and the ink window, not the amount pressure the collar exerts against the black section cover. 

 

I have one that is leaking from the threads and the collar. See the photo. The other is a single piece barrel and it has no issues.

 

 

 

[Bo Bo Olson]

There was another thread I read a couple years ago that confused the hell out of me, to dating my pens. I had guessed one to be the '70-80's the other I thought '90's. But It appears I was wrong on that. Both '73-90.

A little bit late to the party, but at least through this thread, I know I have two 146's and no Le Grands.

The one with Meisterstuck no. 146 has a gray ink window, looks OB. The other has the same but in thicker script, and a tad thicker middle cap ring, and a clear window. Looks like an F.

Very nice springy nibs.

 

(I also have a maxi-semi-flex medium large 1948-60, 146 that Francis rescued. It was duller than hell and missing the cap rings and wouldn't screw on right.

I prefer the very much better to me's balance of the medium-large '48-60 146.  ...and I thank this thread that I found out the 146 started in 1948 and not 1950 that I had thought.)

I have a 234 1/2 Deluxe ('52-54 only) with a semi-flex KOB (back when I was so noobie I only knew the 146&9) it too was part of a live auction lot. Much later a rolled gold 742 with the only nib I have that is right between a semi-flex and maxi-semi-flex (I couldn't let a dealer have that nib.) ((have 35 semi-flex and 15 maxie's; which normally clump together)) and was hoping some day to run into a MB maxi.

That real beat up pen was part of a live auction, and loving the balance, if push came to shove, one of the large 146's would have a nib change. But that wasn't necessary.

I really should have taken a before picture but didn't think. Didn't expect such a great job. Not thinking it was possible.)

 

 

 

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""1973 - 1990 - 2 piece barrel, blue/grey ink window, ebonit feed, monocolor nib, later bicolor""

Not that I can tell a two piece barrel from a one piece.

 

My first & near mint 146 was lonely at a live auction, (it had not been on my list in mostly MB's are high priced at live auctions and that was in the old days; pre-telephone, much less computer bid and the auction hall was near empty in vacation summer; so I got it at the start bid.

The next was offered with this fairly nice black glass based inkwell; and I got it at start bid, for the same price as the first. It had the OB. The MB was the bonus for the inkwell.