Parker 51 Comeback 2020?

[Glenn-SC]

1 hour ago, Estycollector said:

Wow... you’re definitely an anomaly. 

 

You are not the first to call me that.

[TgeekB]

On 4/15/2021 at 4:17 PM, Glenn-SC said:

 

You are not the first to call me that.

There’s worse things to be called. 😂

[Mr Gutsy]

So, I performed the same experiment with the NG51 Deluxe with leaving quink in the pen for a week unused. I got the same result as the steel nib NG51, in that it required some gentle convincing before writing again.

 

The caps on the new pens, do seal but not as well as the original 51s. That being said, it is a lovely writer. I'm undecided with the NG51. It isn't a bad pen, but I don't feel it stands up to an original model in my own opinion.

[adair]

I wish that the two I tried had at least proved "good" pens. I wasn't asking for more nor expecting them to be equal to the original 51.  I'm glad you found two okay examples.

[coinlvr]

On 1/2/2021 at 1:25 PM, OCArt said:

From a vendors website new P51:

Jinhao 85:

 

 

I do not understand because my 1947 vacumatic does not have a converter. What is this? Also, what is this big clutch ring and threads? I did not know that they made Parker 51 in France. Is it for real or is it like a new parker 51 clone? I never saw it until today.  I am confused.

[TheRedBeard]

3 hours ago, coinlvr said:

I do not understand because my 1947 vacumatic does not have a converter. What is this? Also, what is this big clutch ring and threads? I did not know that they made Parker 51 in France. Is it for real or is it like a new parker 51 clone? I never saw it until today.  I am confused.

Nice joke - I like it

Please, read this thread somewhere from the middle and you will learn much more

 

 

[InesF]

Recently I bought a P51 2021 in the steel nib version for sentimental reasons and against all those reviews calling it a badly produced pen. It was a 'must have' for me as my ca. 1970 Original (it was one of the last produced) was stolen during the first week.

My summary after one week in use: I should have spent the money elsewhere! It feels cheap, flimsy, light, and the nib is ... somehow wrong ... on this pen. It is OK as long as it lays capped on my desk and I don't touch it. It will get a place where I can look at it but I will not use it.

[adair]

It is so sad, isn't it? Parker has bungled a great opportunity. They should have invested more in this pen--beginning with a better nib and feed. I wish that they would go back to the drawing board and make some essential upgrades, but--we all know they won't. This terrible pen will likely be discontinued before long. 

[TheRedBeard]

1 hour ago, InesF said:

Recently I bought a P51 2021 in the steel nib version for sentimental reasons and against all those reviews calling it a badly produced pen. It was a 'must have' for me as my ca. 1970 Original (it was one of the last produced) was stolen during the first week.

My summary after one week in use: I should have spent the money elsewhere! It feels cheap, flimsy, light, and the nib is ... somehow wrong ... on this pen. It is OK as long as it lays capped on my desk and I don't touch it. It will get a place where I can look at it but I will not use it.

Try to buy Parker 100 - you should not be disappointed. 

P100 is the last best pen made under Parker's name and is a true successor of an original P51

 

[ele]

It has been taken down from their U.S website for some time now...

[TheRedBeard]

...and quality issues are coming: 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/360275-new-parker-51-sectioncap-fit-problem/

 

[enuhski]

So... I haven't received my NG Parker 51 deluxe (still preorder from the online shop) but I managed to snatch up a vintage black Parker 51 locally. I tried it just now and wow, what a pen! I think it's my new favorite!

[PithyProlix]

30 minutes ago, enuhski said:

So... I haven't received my NG Parker 51 deluxe (still preorder from the online shop) but I managed to snatch up a vintage black Parker 51 locally. I tried it just now and wow, what a pen! I think it's my new favorite!

 

If that's your first P51 it will be interesting to hear your impressions re: comparison of the two.

[TheRedBeard]

4 hours ago, enuhski said:

So... I haven't received my NG Parker 51 deluxe (still preorder from the online shop) but I managed to snatch up a vintage black Parker 51 locally. I tried it just now and wow, what a pen! I think it's my new favorite!

Not surprising, original P51 is a "magic"  pen  

[inkstainedruth]

On 4/14/2021 at 7:41 PM, Estycollector said:

I would not be surprised if there are buyers who think the new "Esterbrooks" are the same or similar to the vintage brand. 

Until they compared pricetags, of course....  I do kinda like the look of the new "Peacock" one, but NOT the price being charged.

And that pen costs more than twice what I paid for my most expensive vintage Parker 51 (the English-made Aero with the OB nib) irks me even more.  Especially since the most I ever paid (not counting repairs/resac jobs) on a *vintage* Esterbrook J series pen was around $35 US.

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[Glenn-SC]

5 hours ago, inkstainedruth said:

Until they compared pricetags, of course....  I do kinda like the look of the new "Peacock" one, but NOT the price being charged.

And that pen costs more than twice what I paid for my most expensive vintage Parker 51 (the English-made Aero with the OB nib) irks me even more.

It’s users choice I guess.  
the most I’ve ever paid for a “51” was $1500 and the least was $4.  The Estie is somewhere between those two. I find the Esties to be very good and consistent writers with a very good size and weight and interesting colors (most unavailable from other pen makers.) 

[enuhski]

13 hours ago, PithyProlix said:

 

If that's your first P51 it will be interesting to hear your impressions re: comparison of the two.

Yes! it's my first P51 and I'm looking forward to getting the next gen to see / compare the difference. I found it heavy in the hand at first, but when I removed the cap and started writing with it, I realized it fits my hand perfectly and wrote smoothly without any problems.

 

Also, for further context, just a few days before I got the P51, I had 3 different pens tuned by a local nibmeister. These pens were borderline scratchy / needed to be tuned to write more smoothly - a Montblanc LPP, a Sailor PG Slim and a dual nib Pen BBS. So writing with the P51 from the get go without any issues at all was just wonderful. 

 

My favorite daily pen is my Lamy 2000 - but I see the P51 as one that could take its place.

[inkstainedruth]

On 5/29/2021 at 6:57 PM, Glenn-SC said:

the most I’ve ever paid for a “51” was $1500

Good thing I wasn't taking a drink when I read that -- I would have just destroyed my $1500 laptop....  Or choking to death....

My most expensive 51 was the English-made Navy Gray Aero with the OB nib, and the $120 price included the buyer's premium at the auction I was at.  

My most expensive pen ever is the M405 Stresemann, and cost me roughly a 1/5 as much as your most expensive 51 -- because I got it from Missing Pens on eBay and so didn't have to pay the Chartpak markup OR VAT.

Starting to feel the way I did the first morning of a women's entrepreneurship class I once took (my only foray into what was effectively a graduate level class).  One woman was starting her own consulting firm after working at the Rand Corporation for a number of years, and correctly predicting some major upheaval in a foreign country.  Another woman?  She wanted to manufacture nice looking briefcases for women executives that would have all sorts of bells and whistles like built-in charger attachments for phones.  And she was very calmly saying "I'm going to be expecting startup costs to be roughly X" (I don't remember the *actual* value of X because the class was a number of years ago -- just that it was a six-figure number... ).  I felt that I had more in common with the woman who made wreaths out of fabric (I was considering starting a bakery/cake decorating business -- when I had to do my final project/Power Point presentation, I remember saying "The first year I'm expecting to lose around $75K...").  And before anyone asks, no I didn't start a business -- I decided I was not cut out for doing that....

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[Estycollector]

7 hours ago, inkstainedruth said:

Good thing I wasn't taking a drink when I read that -- I would have just destroyed my $1500 laptop....  Or choking to death....

My most expensive 51 was the English-made Navy Gray Aero with the OB nib, and the $120 price included the buyer's premium at the auction I was at.  

My most expensive pen ever is the M405 Stresemann, and cost me roughly a 1/5 as much as your most expensive 51 -- because I got it from Missing Pens on eBay and so didn't have to pay the Chartpak markup OR VAT.

Starting to feel the way I did the first morning of a women's entrepreneurship class I once took (my only foray into what was effectively a graduate level class).  One woman was starting her own consulting firm after working at the Rand Corporation for a number of years, and correctly predicting some major upheaval in a foreign country.  Another woman?  She wanted to manufacture nice looking briefcases for women executives that would have all sorts of bells and whistles like built-in charger attachments for phones.  And she was very calmly saying "I'm going to be expecting startup costs to be roughly X" (I don't remember the *actual* value of X because the class was a number of years ago -- just that it was a six-figure number... ).  I felt that I had more in common with the woman who made wreaths out of fabric (I was considering starting a bakery/cake decorating business -- when I had to do my final project/Power Point presentation, I remember saying "The first year I'm expecting to lose around $75K...").  And before anyone asks, no I didn't start a business -- I decided I was not cut out for doing that....

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

The $1500 price tag surprised me as well. Of course, price does not equal value, but folks still beleive it does. I am wearing a watch that I sourced because I needed it to be as water tight as possible and be read without my eye glasses. It is a Casio MDV106-1A for which I've gotten compliments from men and women. They are surprised a watch this nice cost only $45. There are many watch that will do no more than this one and is less water tight for hundreds more. 

 

I think a true entreprenure is aware of her or this time and sees a need that perhaps most don't. Had Steve Jobs been around in the 1860's, he may have had the idea, but no infrastructure. 

 

Those less successful is to decide what they want to do and hope someone will buy it. 

[Glenn-SC]

4 hours ago, Estycollector said:

The $1500 price tag surprised me as well. Of course, price does not equal value, but folks still beleive it does.

Thank you for the insult. 
I don’t question your value judgments and I am shocked that you feel enabled to judge mine.  
 

While I can easily to do so I am disinclined to justify to you or anyone what I spend for what.