Parker 51 Comeback 2020?

[Heinkle]

Shipping from Amazon (U.K.) on 30 March

[corniche]

14 minutes ago, Heinkle said:

Shipping from Amazon (U.K.) on 30 March

 

Hi Heinkle,

 

That's a gouging price - that comes to $99 USD - that's $12 over the street price. Let's see if this one sells out, too; like the burgundy one you posted.

 

- Sean 

[Ferocity]

fellas let's be nicer ❤️one of the rules is to not correct people's misspellings 😅

 

Also I'm really sad to hear that the Parker 51 from 2020 has a nearly identical nib as the modern Parker Jotter. what I'm wondering is if it has the same inscriptions underneath the hood? 

Pen Boy Roy = )

True Real says "what up, G = )"

 

 

the gold nib versions are probably the same... All I'm saying is that they better write well and pass the magnet test ❤️

[Ferocity]

The "G," stands for "Gentleman."

❤️❤️👍❤️❤️

[corniche]

Hi all,

 

I guess nobody bothers to read my posts.   I've said the Parker Vector, Jotter and NG51 all use the same nib and feed; I've given writing samples and somewhat detailed comparisons and I've tried to be objective about it.

 

But most of you guys seem to be dead set to hate this pen at all costs. Mind you, I'm not saying the NG51 is as good as the original, but as a "stand alone" pen; it's not that bad.

 

Parker should have never called it a 51. Although, they still seem to be flying off the shelves. So, good for them. 

 

So long, folks. I'm gonna let you guys duke it out.

 

 

 

 

- Sean 

 

[Ferocity]

hehehehe brother I saw the posts when you first got em' = )

I wish you'd take them apart so we could see the nibs = ) 

 

[corniche]

42 minutes ago, Ferocity said:

hehehehe brother I saw the posts when you first got em' = )

I wish you'd take them apart so we could see the nibs = ) 

 

 

Hi Ferocity, 

 

Yeah, I also did a follow-up for Mr.Rene, (et al), a page or two back.

 

Yeah, I was hoping they'd have a threaded hood unit, but unfortunately, they are NOT user serviceable. My guess is, like most modern manufacturers, they'll just send a replacement nib/section unit if something goes wrong. 

 

- Sean 

[TheRedBeard]

54 minutes ago, corniche said:

Hi all,

 

I guess nobody bothers to read my posts.   I've said the Parker Vector, Jotter and NG51 all use the same nib and feed; I've given writing samples and somewhat detailed comparisons and I've tried to be objective about it.

 

But most of you guys seem to be dead set to hate this pen at all costs. Mind you, I'm not saying the NG51 is as good as the original, but as a "stand alone" pen; it's not that bad.

 

Parker should have never called it a 51. Although, they still seem to be flying off the shelves. So, good for them. 

 

So long, folks. I'm gonna let you guys duke it out.

 

 

 

 

- Sean 

 

Hi Sean,

Your comparison of these three pens was very useful and was exactly the final drop that helped me to make my decision

So, I'm personally very grateful to you for that

[corniche]

2 hours ago, TheRedBeard said:

Hi Sean,

Your comparison of these three pens was very useful and was exactly the final drop that helped me to make my decision

So, I'm personally very grateful to you for that

 

Hi Red,

 

No problem.  I was just having a small rant because it seems here at FPN, people ask questions I have already answered; or make observations I have already made - and I begin to wonder if anyone bothers to read my posts. But all is well; I'm over it, now.   

 

- Sean 

[Aysedasi]

4 minutes ago, corniche said:

 

Hi Red,

 

No problem.  I was just having a small rant because it seems here at FPN, people ask questions I have already answered; or make observations I have already made - and I begin to wonder if anyone bothers to read my posts. But all is well; I'm over it, now.   

 

- Sean 

 

Sorry, did you say something?     

[como]

2 minutes ago, corniche said:

 

Hi Red,

 

No problem.  I was just having a small rant because it seems here at FPN, people ask questions I have already answered; or make observations I have already made - and I begin to wonder if anyone bothers to read my posts. But I'm over it, now.   

 

- Sean 

@cornicheSean, someone recently told me - For every million posters on social media, there is one listener. 😀

 

Apparently I am not a good listener either, because I don’t remember who told me this. 😀

[corniche]

40 minutes ago, Aysedasi said:

 

Sorry, did you say something?     

 

 

- Sean 

 

[corniche]

40 minutes ago, como said:

@cornicheSean, someone recently told me - For every million posters on social media, there is one listener. 😀

 

Apparently I am not a good listener either, because I don’t remember who told me this. 😀

 

Hi Como,

 

Here are the truest words of this thread.

 

Thanks.  Sean

 

 

[MisterSheaffer]

I've seen comments from previous posters raking Parker over the coals about the 2021 Parker 51 having the same type of steel nib as the Parker Vector/Jotters. I don't understand the outrage.

 

One previous poster mentioned Lamy using the same type of nib in the Safaris and Studios. The latter pen being almost 3 times more in price. Platinum does the same with the Preppy and Procyon.

 

Is it really outrageous that Parker is using the same type of nib from one of their lower price pens and putting them on a much better body, just like other pen companies do?

[FarmBoy]

The same type nibs were in the original 51 of all types, the 41, and the 21 Super. 
 

what were they thinking. 

[corniche]

39 minutes ago, MisterSheaffer said:

I've seen comments from previous posters raking Parker over the coals about the 2021 Parker 51 having the same type of steel nib as the Parker Vector/Jotters. I don't understand the outrage.

 

One previous poster mentioned Lamy using the same type of nib in the Safaris and Studios. The latter pen being almost 3 times more in price. Platinum does the same with the Preppy and Procyon.

 

Is it really outrageous that Parker is using the same type of nib from one of their lower price pens and putting them on a much better body, just like other pen companies do?

 

Hi Mister Sheaffer, 

 

In a word. No.

 

Interchangeable parts is an old industrial concept - Detroit has been doing it for over a century and most of us aren't put in a froth when Lamy, Pilot, Platinum and many others share a nib across model ranges.

 

The problem here is the P51 is a mythic pen and a lot of people get rattled if you mess with it. It's like sacking a Church or burning books.

 

If you move beyond the mania and look at things more objectively and use the NG51 as though the original never existed; it's not that bad of a pen - it's not great, but it's not that bad, either. But many take umbrage if you take the same pen and call it a 51 - it's all in a name.

 

I can understand their frustration, though; I have several of the originals and the originals are in a class by themselves. I dont light candles before a display of 51s, but they are great pens - nothing less, but nothing more, either.

 

But they do enjoy a rather rabid, cult following by many in Pendom. I myself list the 51 as my favorite pen.

 

The problem I would have is if the Deluxe model would be identical to the Core model, except that it has a gold Jotter nib.  That would kind of be like the 1970s/1980s scandal of Chevrolet engines being put in Cadillacs. 

 

I think the Core model is worth looking into, if you can find a deal on one; I would hesitate paying $87 for one, though. And I fear the Deluxe model is the same exact pen in every way except for a half gram of gold and a $160 hike in the price. 

 

- Sean

 

[MisterSheaffer]

34 minutes ago, corniche said:

 

Hi Mister Sheaffer, 

 

In a word. No.

 

Interchangeable parts is an old industrial concept - Detroit has been doing it for over a century and most of us aren't put in a froth when Lamy, Pilot, Platinum and many others share a nib across model ranges.

 

The problem here is the P51 is a mythic pen and a lot of people get rattled if you mess with it. It's like sacking a Church or burning books.

 

If you move beyond the mania and look at things more objectively and use the NG51 as though the original never existed; it's not that bad of a pen - it's not great, but it's not that bad, either. But many take umbrage if you take the same pen and call it a 51 - it's all in a name.

 

I can understand their frustration, though; I have several of the originals and the originals are in a class by themselves. I dont light candles before a display of 51s, but they are great pens - nothing less, but nothing more, either.

 

But they do enjoy a rather rabid, cult following by many in Pendom. I myself list the 51 as my favorite pen.

 

The problem I would have is if the Deluxe model would be identical to the Core model, except that it has a gold Jotter nib.  That would kind of be like the 1970s/1980s scandal of Chevrolet engines being put in Cadillacs. 

 

I think the Core model is worth looking into, if you can find a deal on one; I would hesitate paying $87 for one, though. And I fear the Deluxe model is the same exact pen in every way except for a half gram of gold and a $160 hike in the price. 

 

- Sean

 

Thank you for the response. I think you nailed it with your observations.

[Ferocity]

 

That's right Sean.

 

The Parker 51, it's like a Ferrari. The jotter, is like any other car. Subaru and Mitsubishi owners have been saying it for years: "oh my evo 10 is way quicker and nicer and more affordable than any Ferrari."

yeah

but anyone can have an Evo 10

a Parker 51, 

just like a Ferrari

that's a thing of legends 

 

 

Having the Parker Jotter nib in the body of a Parker 51 is like messing with the engine

You don't put a (bleep) engine in a Ferrari GTO ~ ! THAT'S BLASPHEMY

 

 

 

[Ferocity]

f 0 r d is a curse word?

hahhahahaha

just kidding

I like Ford's

the word I used is a synonym for "feces."

it's true🤷🏻‍♂️

[shostakovich]

I'm not sure if it was here or on another Parker 51 thread where I said I was a bit fed up because my old 51 was skipping when using document (particle) inks such as De Atramentis. It was said that I may being a bit unreasonable to expect a vintage 1956 pen to be able to cope with these new inks. I have thought about this and I think the experts were right, and I was wrong. I should not expect the vintage pens to cope with new inks that were not in existence then.

 

So today i have refilled it with Noodler's La Coleur Royale - a nice blue ink - and I will use the P51 for things I don't need to keep for ever, even if that's a possible scenario anyway. So far the pen is working perfectly with the Noodler's ink. Thanks for all the good advice and I'm not "ditching" the pen which was a silly term to have used anyway.