Pelikan 100N Magnum Emege Red Tortoise

[Gobblecup]

I would love this pen, I am currently in the process of getting a Dark Tortoise a rare 101N type bird!

[DCirjan]

Wow, that is jaw-dropping ...

[stoen]

Hello,

please pardon my reviving this thread.

I’d like to know if someone owning a Magnim would be so kind post a close photo of the “original” Magnum nib unit (front and back), or at least the front and rear views of its section (showing both nib and feed sides).

I have seen a few Magnums, probably retrofit with later (post 1937) “585” nibs, but not the originals.

 

Thanks in advance.

[Seney724]

1 hour ago, stoen said:

Hello,

please pardon my reviving this thread.

I’d like to know if someone owning a Magnim would be so kind post a close photo of the “original” Magnum nib unit (front and back), or at least the front and rear views of its section (showing both nib and feed sides).

I have seen a few Magnums, probably retrofit with later (post 1937) “585” nibs, but not the originals.

 

Thanks in advance.

There is a very excellent and most comprehensive discussion of the Magnum...including the nib....here.  I hope it provides you with what you need, the author (Vasco Pisco) is a known authority on the Magnum:

https://www.pelikan-collectibles.com/en/Pelikan/Models/Historic-Pens/100N/Magnum/index.html

[stoen]

45 minutes ago, Seney724 said:

There is a very excellent and most comprehensive discussion of the Magnum...including the nib....here.

Thank you very much @Seney724 for your effort of pointing me at the best known and obvious source, with which I am familiar for ca. 10 years already. Please, be so kind to observe that I haven’t revived this thread for the fact of being a lazy reader / researcher. 
 

In case I wasn’t clear enough with my question, please let me rephrase the question. I would like to see either:

- the photo of the entire *nib unit* 
or:

- the photo of the section part of the Magnum, showing *both* nib side and feed side

if possible, of course.

 

There is no such photo on the entire Internet, AFAIK.

 

I don’t own a Magnum, but have held two in my hands. Neither of them fully complied with Mr. Pisco photos. They looked to me as Frankenpens assembled from Magnum barrels, bindes, caps and mechanisms, and 100N sections and nib units. 

Nibs were clearly “post millesium fineness decree” (1937->) “585” 100N nibs, not complying with Mr. Pisco’s pictures and descriptions of Magnum nibs.

 

The persons who owned the “legit” Magnums either missed posting backside (feed-side) pictures if their pens, or were opposed to unscrewing the nib units for the fear of breaking them.

 

So, there is no relevant information on feeds and collars of the Magnums available.

 

Last but not least, please let me confirm that I know the difference between a “nib” and a “nib unit”.

🙂

 

Thanks for your knowledge, good will and understanding.

 

[Seney724]

Thanks for the explanation.

Why waste your time fishing around for the answer when you have an expert like Vasco Pisco just a few electrons away.  Message him!!  And, if you get the information you seek, please post it for us all to see.

Good luck

[stoen]

15 minutes ago, Seney724 said:

Why waste your time fishing around for the answer when you have an expert like Vasco Pisco just a few electrons away

Thanks. I’ve tried to reach him on several previous “few electron” locations, through this board, as well as some other contacts, but it hasn’t worked so far. Never got a reply, don’t know why.

 

Thanks in advance, for not furthetly discouraging me in trying to get a first hand info. I’m sure there are members having Magnums, in this forum, who wouldn’t mind sharing few more pics of their lovely pens. 

🙂

[Seney724]

I'm sorry to hear you've been unable to reach him.

Surely you are correct that there are other excellent resources.

I hope you are successful in getting the information you seek and will then share it with the rest of us.

[stoen]

4 minutes ago, Seney724 said:

hope you are successful in getting the information you seek and will then share it with the rest of us.

Thanks. Make sure any findings from my side shall be shared within this thread.

[pmn]

Hi guys, it has been a while since my last post...

Anyway, a couple of pics, hope they help.

 

(It's a perfect day to give Mr. Pisco a call, I also don't talk to him in a long time.)

 

[inkstainedruth]

That's an attractive pen you've got there!  

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[lamarax]

5 hours ago, pmn said:

Hi guys, it has been a while since my last post...

Anyway, a couple of pics, hope they help.

 

(It's a perfect day to give Mr. Pisco a call, I also don't talk to him in a long time.)

 

 

👀 ...

 

...oh how I wish:

[stoen]

14 hours ago, pmn said:

 

Hi guys, it has been a while since my last post...

Anyway, a couple of pics, hope they help.

 

 

Thanks, @pmn, your pen appears to be a legit one. Seems you haven’t managed unscrewing the nib unit, have you? Sharing a top view photo, showing the outer side of the collar  would be very helpful. To illustrate what I meant, here’ s the pic of my 1938 101N dark tortoise top view:

[pmn]

@Stoen,

Sorry for the lazy answer, I had these old pics here in my archive.

That is the exact same pen you see at the beginning of Vasco's (aka Mr.Pisco) article linked above.

 

Later today I'll try to take a couple of pictures with the nib unit out.

 

Cheers

[pmn]

So, took 5 minutes for a couple of pics with the phone over the kitchen counter...

Not my best work for sure, but I hope they can show what you're after.

(sorry for the ink residue, no excuse for that!)

 

 

 

[pmn]

 

Thinking of it, on the nib unit the feeder and collar are just like on a Pelikan 100.

Not sure about sizing, never tried to fit one in the other...

[stoen]

Thank you so much in my own name and the entire Forum for sharing this wonderful contribution. I don’t know if you are aware, these are the first photos of a Magnum nib unit ever posted on the entire web.

 

The feed and collar geometry are definitely those of a 100 (not 100N!). In case you have a caliper, another wonderful contribution would be measuring the length and width of the collar (in mm). The numbers for 100 would be the following:

 

lengt:      12.5 mm

width 1:     7.2 mm

width 2:    6.5 mm

 

PS. No problem for the ink residue, I’m happy to read that you actually use this wonderful pen for writing.

🙂

[pmn]

Hi Stoen,

 

It is common to find these old pens with some repairs, diferent nibs, etc. so, we are never 100% sure.

Nevertheless, in my eyes, this one looks very straight and I have no reason to believe it was messed with.  

It is "as found" here in the city where the headquartes of EMEGÊ were.

With this disclaimer done,

 

I went through Vasco's article again to refresh my memory on the subject.

If we take it as a somewhat transitional/prototype model prior to the 100N, it makes sense to me that they could have just used some existing parts from the 100 for the nib units.

 

I'll take some measurements to compare.

 

Cheers,

 

P.S. Very beautiful 100 you posted on the other thread.

 

 

 

[stoen]

13 hours ago, pmn said:

this one looks very straight and I have no reason to believe it was messed with

Thanks, @pmn. That’s what I understood at first sight. Looks 100% legit, 100% sure.

 

The only mystery was the geometry and dimensions of its feeds and collar. What I see in your pictures, makes me understand that Magnum nib units are elaborated from 100 nib units, rather than prototyped for 100N nib units. This makes Magnums even closer to 100s than commobly thought, so far. I have a Magnum loose nib, which normally fits a 100, and an early EmeGê 100 with same (oversize) nib dimensions, only without triangle sign. Please see the photo.

 

I’ve seen Magnum Frankenpens, which looked as if having 100N sections and nib units “patched” to Magnum barrels, selling for thousands of $.

 

Thanks to your contributions, such “frankenbusiness” will be more closely watched at.

 

If you had a caliper, measuring the collar would be very helpful, because your Magnum looks 100% legit, for sure.

 

Here’s my little EmeGê with oversize nib:

 

 

 

And its “oversize” nib close view, next to another “regular size” 100 “early” nib:

 

[pmn]

I realize I don't have my calipers at hand (left my toolbox in the country house).

Never the less I can tell you that it does not fit on a 100, it fits on a 100N.

If you look at the picture comparing to the 100 nib unit, the magnum one is wider, collar and feeder also.

Let me see if I can buy another caliper this week...