Sailor Pro Gear Vs Sailor 1911 - Which One?

[Mongoosey]

It stressed me to have to google what ASMR stands for.

 

(I realise it's off-topic in a Sailor Pen product thread, but) one of my recent fountain pen experiences that I could actually feel trigger my parasympathetic nervous system response, while still engaging my mindful conscious attention, was when I was writing with an 'invisible' fluorescent ink (similar to, but not exactly, Noodler's Blue Ghost) while the page was lit by a UV light torch. For some reason, there's a split-second delay between the completion of the pen stroke and the shape of the ink mark appearing on the page. (I'm not a physicist, so I'm not sure whether that's just how long it takes for the fluorescent substances to absorb sufficient energy from the UV light to glow at visible wavelength.) The fact that I cannot rely on instantaneous visual feedback to make micro motor adjustments as I write makes the writing experience significantly different from when using a conventional coloured ink.

 

I find it very calming to hold the image of the intended shapes in mind, make the hand movements to produce it, and then see half a second later that they are laid on the page as intended.

 

That is an an interesting experience.

 

I look forward to a bit of that Positive feedback that, like you say, triggers the parasympathetic Nervous system.

 

When I started using fountain pens I thought I wanted buttery smooth, but then I realized after a while I was subconsciously pressing down on my nib's during Buttery Smooth Writing Experiences.

 

I've began to adjust to this new realization and its paying off a lot for me and I'm enjoying using fountain pens even more now in a way I wouldn't have been able to appreciate prior.

[TheDutchGuy]

Sailor... Yes, we can spend lots of quality time discussing the specifics of each Sailor model, but...

 

...isn’t it comforting to know that you can buy a new Sailor, any new Sailor, without trying it beforehand, and know that you will have a spectacularly good writer’s pen? No tuning needed, no flow issues, no tinkering, just choose your peferred nib size and you’re off to the races. That’s priceless.

[A Smug Dill]

...isn’t it comforting to know that you can buy a new Sailor, any new Sailor, without trying it beforehand, and know that you will have a spectacularly good writer’s pen? No tuning needed, no flow issues, no tinkering, just choose your peferred nib size and you’re off to the races. That’s priceless.

 

 

There are exceptions. I wouldn't count on the (cheap!) Sailor desk pen model 11-0073-120 with EF nib being a good writer; I bought two (and have since wrecked one), and both were scratchy to the point of damaging the surface of Bloc Rhodia notepad paper just in the way I write with any pen. The Sailor HiAce Neo shares the same style of nib (but in F nib width) and feed with the desk pens, but are better (although not great) in that regard. The cheap Sailor pens with Fude de Mannen nibs (models 11-0127-* and 10-0212-740) haven't been great writers in my experience, either.

 

From Sailor Profit Junior and upwards, I'd say your statement holds true; I haven't had a dud nib in more than fifteen Sailor fountain pens outside of the aforementioned models that I've inked. (I have another two here that are brand new and still sealed in the plastic pen sleeves from the factory, and I just ordered two more yesterday.)

[TheDutchGuy]

Agreed, I implied the gold-nib Sailor models but did not state that explicitly. A 21k Sailor is still on my wishlist.

 

^-My humble flock of Sailors. PGS 14k HM with 90% Herbin Bleu Azur/10% Visconti Blue, PGS ‘Ocean’ 14k HMF with Blackstone Sydney Harbour Blue, 1911 Standard 14k HM with KWZ El Dorado.

[KyleClapton]

 

I know, right!?! A good ASMR will make you want to watch it over again, and kind of relax into it. When I watched that video a gentle fire came to mind having a similar feeling of relaxing into the watching/listening of it.

 

I knew I liked the sound of nib to paper, but didn't realize how lovely it could be on its own. And some nibs, like the Sailor's, have such a gentle tone.

 

I found myself surprised there were so few Fountain Pen ASMR's when I searched on Youtube for them.

 

It's like something new that hasn't gotten started up enough to really get started.

 

You may start that something new ; )

 

It's not easy to do. It's almost like its own art. I've watched ASMR's on some random things largely because at first I didn't know what the heck ASMR was. Some were OK, but some could make a relaxing fireside time out of the most random things lol. It's interesting.

 

Yes, there are only few ASMR of writing video on Youtube.

This is one of my favorite ASMR, please check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQI5AhRj56A

I like the way she mumbling in the background. It is very clean ASMR and also very gentle and very natural to me.

Some ASMR makes me feel stressed as they are kind of over-doing everything or maybe because of their super-high-quality-micro, I don't know.

I prefer soft, natural sound which is also my target for making ASMR series for fountain pen.

And ASMR video usually quite long, around 30 mins to 1 hour for people to play it in background for relaxing which will require me to find better place to record the video.

I will inform you when I make the new one.

 

It stressed me to have to google what ASMR stands for.

 

(I realise it's off-topic in a Sailor Pen product thread, but) one of my recent fountain pen experiences that I could actually feel trigger my parasympathetic nervous system response, while still engaging my mindful conscious attention, was when I was writing with an 'invisible' fluorescent ink (similar to, but not exactly, Noodler's Blue Ghost) while the page was lit by a UV light torch. For some reason, there's a split-second delay between the completion of the pen stroke and the shape of the ink mark appearing on the page. (I'm not a physicist, so I'm not sure whether that's just how long it takes for the fluorescent substances to absorb sufficient energy from the UV light to glow at visible wavelength.) The fact that I cannot rely on instantaneous visual feedback to make micro motor adjustments as I write makes the writing experience significantly different from when using a conventional coloured ink.

 

I find it very calming to hold the image of the intended shapes in mind, make the hand movements to produce it, and then see half a second later that they are laid on the page as intended.

 

Oh, I was stressed when searching for the meaning of ASMR in the first place. It is quite interesting trend. I was quite surprised when I know about this category of video. I didn't expect that people have this kind of habit: listening to the noise or sound for relaxing. And then, I am slowly into it and understand why they make that kind of video.

I think in nowadays, life is full of stress and pressure. We are all surrounded by so many things that make us have to use our brain nearly 100% ( I heard that we only use 20% of our brain, so let's say we are using 100% of that 20%). Sometimes, we need to relax, but how? Even relaxing cost us a lot of energy. So that kind of video came. It likes a tool to help us fall into relaxation period easily. Strange, but makes sense!

And I like your idea of using fluorescent ink. This is one way of relaxing your mind. You can freely release your mind and let your hand express it on the paper.

Wow, the more I think about it, the more I want to try it too! It is such an interesting thing to do!

[KyleClapton]

This point, I totally agree! For Sailor Gold nib, of course. Sailor Gold nib never fails me, even with it's extra fine size (I heard a lot of complain about the EF and F nib of Sailor and and also Pilot, Platinum, that they are scratchy). I am kind of enjoying the little scratchy feeling on EF nib. It is in acceptable zone for me.

Sailor... Yes, we can spend lots of quality time discussing the specifics of each Sailor model, but...

...isn’t it comforting to know that you can buy a new Sailor, any new Sailor, without trying it beforehand, and know that you will have a spectacularly good writer’s pen? No tuning needed, no flow issues, no tinkering, just choose your peferred nib size and you’re off to the races. That’s priceless.

 

 

 

There are exceptions. I wouldn't count on the (cheap!) Sailor desk pen model 11-0073-120 with EF nib being a good writer; I bought two (and have since wrecked one), and both were scratchy to the point of damaging the surface of Bloc Rhodia notepad paper just in the way I write with any pen. The Sailor HiAce Neo shares the same style of nib (but in F nib width) and feed with the desk pens, but are better (although not great) in that regard. The cheap Sailor pens with Fude de Mannen nibs (models 11-0127-* and 10-0212-740) haven't been great writers in my experience, either.

 

From Sailor Profit Junior and upwards, I'd say your statement holds true; I haven't had a dud nib in more than fifteen Sailor fountain pens outside of the aforementioned models that I've inked. (I have another two here that are brand new and still sealed in the plastic pen sleeves from the factory, and I just ordered two more yesterday.)

Yes, stainless steel nib of Sailor does not really impress me. I think stainless steel of Pro-color is OK for me but for desk pen or Profit Junior is not on my list. But it is worth to try.

[KyleClapton]

Beautiful, beautiful Pens. I love them!

Agreed, I implied the gold-nib Sailor models but did not state that explicitly. A 21k Sailor is still on my wishlist.


^-My humble flock of Sailors. PGS 14k HM with 90% Herbin Bleu Azur/10% Visconti Blue, PGS ‘Ocean’ 14k HMF with Blackstone Sydney Harbour Blue, 1911 Standard 14k HM with KWZ El Dorado.

[A Smug Dill]

Hmmm. I was this close to pulling the trigger on ordering a Sailor Shikiori Pro Gear Slim from Pensachi just now, what with the Japanese pen case offer, but at the last step I had to pull back because of two things in conjunction with each other:

• no choice of delivery method other than the more expensive Expedited Shipping; and
• no availability of any inks worth ordering from Japan at close to Japanese domestic market prices, e.g. Platinum Classic Ink bottled iron-gall inks, Platinum Blue-Black dye (iron-gall) ink, Platinum Carbon Black ink and Sailor 50ml bottled inks, to make the shipping charges worthwhile.

Oh well.

[JonSzanto]

Boy, you people sure make things complicated.

[Intensity]

I’d love to own standard size Pro Gear in an LE color at some point. Thay are my preferred design. So far, I’ll be up to 2 Sailors, both Sapporo; one EF and one Music nib. The accent finials with Sailor logo on the Flat top models is much preferable to me compared to the more generic cigar end models.

[KyleClapton]

Oh, sorry that you couldn't choose the ink you want. As I know, we do offer Registered Airmail (which has tracking number and also insurance) to some countries. Unfortunately, some countries like Australia, Canada, India... we cannot use Registered Airmail as tit really take long long time to deliver by Registered Airmail to those countries.

I am really sorry about that!

Hmmm. I was this close to pulling the trigger on ordering a Sailor Shikiori Pro Gear Slim from Pensachi just now, what with the Japanese pen case offer, but at the last step I had to pull back because of two things in conjunction with each other:

• no choice of delivery method other than the more expensive Expedited Shipping; and
• no availability of any inks worth ordering from Japan at close to Japanese domestic market prices, e.g. Platinum Classic Ink bottled iron-gall inks, Platinum Blue-Black dye (iron-gall) ink, Platinum Carbon Black ink and Sailor 50ml bottled inks, to make the shipping charges worthwhile.

Oh well.

[KyleClapton]

I see. I have not use Music nib long enough to understand this nib. Please share with us your experience with Music.

I’d love to own standard size Pro Gear in an LE color at some point. Thay are my preferred design. So far, I’ll be up to 2 Sailors, both Sapporo; one EF and one Music nib. The accent finials with Sailor logo on the Flat top models is much preferable to me compared to the more generic cigar end models.

[KyleClapton]

A picture that I like: Sailor nib vs Platinum nib

[Intensity]

I had a Nakaya Briarwood fountain pen, and I loved the pen but can't say I was very enamored with the nib design (same shape as Platinum's, I think). Sailor nibs look better to me. But I do like the heart-shaped breather holes more.

[KyleClapton]

I had a Nakaya Briarwood fountain pen, and I loved the pen but can't say I was very enamored with the nib design (same shape as Platinum's, I think). Sailor nibs look better to me. But I do like the heart-shaped breather holes more.

Some of my friends said that Nakaya's nib and Platinum's nib are same base. They are only different in logo design. I personally really like the shape of Platinum's nib, especially breather hole (it seems people love that point of Platinum). But for the detail of logo design, I will give Sailor more point. I saw Nakaya few times on internet and once from a store. The nib looks beautiful but seems too much for me. I means the round logo of Nakaya seems not fit with the nib. I prefer the anchor of Sailor.

 

Currently, I found myself are more into taking picture of demonstrator pen. I just found that at the eye-level angle with the light background, the color of demonstrator body just pops up like a candy

 

[JonSzanto]

I had a Nakaya Briarwood fountain pen, and I loved the pen but can't say I was very enamored with the nib design (same shape as Platinum's, I think). Sailor nibs look better to me. But I do like the heart-shaped breather holes more.

 

I had the same pen with the nib customized by Mottishw. I was the opposite: loved the nib (and writing) but couldn't stand that the pen never sealed well, so I traded it back sans nib and put the Nakaya nib in a vintage celluloid Platinum. Now all is right with the world.

[Intensity]

Yep, mine was also customized by Mottishaw to a cursive italic from Broad. It was a very nice nib to write with, albeit the whole pen was tuned to be a dry writer, very precise. I ended up trading it for a Pelikan pen with generous flow, which I prefer. I had no issues with sealing with that Nakaya. Maybe some part of the sealing was defective with yours.

Edited July 19, 2019 by Intensity

[JonSzanto]

I had no issues with sealing with that Nakaya. Maybe some part of the sealing was defective with yours.

 

Nope, checked over thoroughly. Could be tolerances vary by the most minute amount from pen to pen. It's just that having a cap snap into place isn't ever going to seal as well as a screw cap if the inner cap is locked into one position (as opposed to floating) - the Preppy, cheap as it is, fixed that.

[samasry]

I be liking the Sailor F nibs, but unlike what people said here, the "F" and sometimes even the "MF" nib do write scratchy out of the box .

 

I have to say, that for some reason i was unlucky with the white 21 gold nib vs the yellow 21 gold nib .

 

In my experience, the "M" nib is consistently a great writer out of the box

 

I have seen some people recently saying that u need to flush a new pen with water few times befor u use it, could be that this was my problem.

 

Perhaps I should move to "M", but then I need fancy shmancy paper and the cost is too much

 

I need a pen that work with cheap Staples notebooks and such, not Rhodia, nor those Ivy league $20-$30 a pop notepads. I use my pens during the work day , I do not write my memoire for the ages,

 

what to do? , what to do ?

Edited July 20, 2019 by salmasry

[A Smug Dill]

Perhaps I should move to "M", but then I need fancy shmancy paper and the cost is too much

 

I need a pen that work with cheap Staples notebooks and such,

The devil is in the details of "and such". Some Muji notebooks and Daiso notebooks that are quite cheap proved to be very good for fountain pen use; some others not so.

 

Now, I'm not trying to make Japan the centre of the fountain pen hobby universe. Muji and Daiso are great examples, and good for bringing up in discussion on FPN — being a global community of hobbyists — because as manufacturers they have retail presence internationally with their own branded stores 'everywhere' in Asia, Europe, Australia and North America; and, of course, the Japanese know how to make good products (but of course not every consumer product that comes out of Japan is good quality).

 

not Rhodia

Rhodia notepads aren't that expensive even in Australia (where almost everything imported from Japan or Europe, or even North America, is expensive), and in Europe they're just common and economical.

Edited July 20, 2019 by A Smug Dill